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  •  it seems the pie fights have started again (0+ / 0-)

    :sigh:

    you know I thought the whole point was to get taxes decoupled which is exactly what this 'grand bargin' would do along with a lot of other things all for a slightly higher tax point

    And kos is utterly wrong, the fact is that if the GOP keep trying to hold the debt ceiling hostage the American people are going to get more and more annonyed with them.

    Frankly at this point I'm starting to think that nothing Obama can do would please kos either because that's how he actually thinks or becasue it pushes traffic here

    •  I thought kos made fair points (1+ / 0-)
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      and argued them well.

      I'm not sure that the outcome will be as he suggests, but he bases his assessment on Obama's poor negotiating stances.

      Markos has some justification for that, because history is on his side.

      Personally ... I don't think that the Debt Ceiling is an issue, but only IF the President is prepared to say "Refuse to raise it, and accept the consequences".

      Markos is doubtful the President will stand firm. I hope he will, but there has been little to suggest it so far.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      by twigg on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 07:55:50 PM PST

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      •  fair enough (4+ / 0-)

        I don't think Obama is a poor  negotiator though. I wouldn't say he's awesome either but frankly much of the recent framing drives me nus. Especially when people say things like 'screw the democratic party' (this is much more of a general compliant then a kos directed one).

        Did they learn absolutely fucking nothing from 2010? The entire reason Obama is a 'poor negiator is because the GOP control the house and while we all shoot each other in the head the GOP maintains that control and entrenches in state governments.

        There's a lot I don't like about the GOP but frankly we all could learn something about their discipline and determination

        The GOP hated Romney because to many of them he was a 'MA liberal' and yet still turned out more for him then McCain. I'm not suggesting liking what everything Obama does (I know I don't) but well I think he's more then earned some respect and trust.

        Neither of which I see from many of the loudest voices here and maybe I'm too cynical but  I can't but wonder if that's a business decesion

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