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  •  But your prescription is austerity, recession. (7+ / 0-)

    I don't see how massive tax hikes on everyone and massive spending cuts right now helps black unemployment.

    Of course, it doesn't.  But that's what would happen while the president and congress dickered over things over the next few months.  

    Fact is, it's not lack of imagination that's the problem: it's imagining that austerity is a small thing and setting us on the path of recession is going to magically change minds in due time.

    One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

    by Inland on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 10:18:30 AM PST

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    •  Tax hikes give the gov't more $$$ (2+ / 0-)
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      That helps create future jobs as long as we remember to spend it.

      What was that program we used during the 1930's....

      The symbol for the Republican party shouldn't be an elephant -- it should be a unicorn.

      by Deadicated Marxist on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:34:51 AM PST

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    •  "massive tax hikes" (9+ / 0-)

      Umm...taxes were not MASSIVE under Clinton. They were reasonable and provided enough income to do things and leave a little extra to pay down debt.

      What we have now is taxes insufficient to make government work. So, now we have to shrink government from doing thing for people who need government the most...which is the Republican plan ever since the Great Society.

      Every economist I've read so far says that the slowdown induced by the Clinton tax rates will be brief, no more than six months, and that we would emerge so much stronger after that.

      Furthermore, heres something you haters of liberals should understand: An economic downturn is an opportunity to do great things for people. Austerity? That's what we're getting right now. It has been what we've been getting ever since the crash (although I'd call it Austerity Lite). And that's why income inequality, under your precious most sacred Obama, is growing faster than it did under George W. Bush.

      •  First, the cliff is also huge spending cuts. (0+ / 0-)

        We were going to get both.  Now we'll get neither, for the short run.

        Second, the tax rates during BOOM TIMES like the Clinton years isn't relevant to the tax rates now.

        Third, we don't need to shrink government because of deficits, and now would be the worst time to do it.  That is, in fact, the only thing both parties really agree on.  

        I'm wondering how government has stopped working due to deficits.  Can you point it out?  Rather, republicans are saying that they have to destroy the village to save it.  I disagree.

        Fourth, even if you really believed that the slowdown would be short, you've canceled out most of the revenue with the slowdown while creating more needs.  That's why the austerian program doesn't work.  

        An economic downturn is an opportunity to do great things for people.
        Oh, for fuck's sake, dude.  Haven't you had enough downturn already?  Don't you think that if you haven't brought heaven on earth to us already, maybe recessions really are as bad as they seem?  
        Austerity? That's what we're getting right now.
        Well, everything's relative, but you can't complain about being fed a teaspoon if you're solution is to swallow a gallon and hope for the best.  

        What's really amazing is how much you sound like all the austerians:  that the REAL problem is that WE HAVE IT TOO GOOD and what we need  is a GOOD EMETIC.  

        One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

        by Inland on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 01:01:41 PM PST

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