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  •  Is it a victory? (0+ / 0-)

    If this whole ordeal was supposed to be dealing with the so-called fiscial cliff, where's the victory? We haven't dealt with it, we've just decided to deal with it two months from now.

    •  You think this won a war? (1+ / 0-)
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      These are political battles and we are in the middle of a political war.

      A single victory even a clear one does not end a fricking war. One single battle does not get you every damn thing you ever dreamed of. You even re-fight many of the same battles even if you are winning a war.

      •  And I'm saying that we didn't even win the battle. (2+ / 0-)
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        RainyDay, lostinamerica

        Because this battle was supposedly over the "fiscal cliff." That cliff is still there, we haven't gone anywhere. The problem that this deal was supposedly about addressing is not solved. We get to have this same battle again two months from now. Forget any war metaphor, thet battle is not even concluded.

        •  The battle line moved. (0+ / 0-)

          And we gained ground. Nothing is ever complete with government... ever. There will always be a new line in the future a new version of the same problem.  

          This is about as close as we get.

          •  Gained ground? (1+ / 0-)
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            What leverage do we have to fight against Republican demands for "entitlement reform" in two months?

            •  What leverage did we loose? (1+ / 0-)
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              •  I don't see that either (0+ / 0-)

                Dems got 85% of the revenue they were looking for locked in. Spending cuts that were part of the sequestration and would've thrown the economy into a recession are secured.

                Sequestration cuts have been lowered with 50% as part of this deal.

                 These programs are exempt from sequestration, including Social Security, Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), SNAP (formerly known as the Food Stamp Program), child nutrition, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), refundable tax credits such as the Child Tax Credit and the Earned Income Tax Credit, veterans’ compensation and other benefits, and federal retirement.

                Medicare cuts are limited to 2%, and only to providers not to benificiaries.

                There is not much bite left for Democrats in the sequester, I really don't see why they would agree to a grand bargain, that is worse than the sequester.

                I don't believe the Republicans would behave any different when it comes to raising the debt level, without this deal in place.  

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