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  •  We are still reliving the 2008 primary around here (1+ / 0-)
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    it keeps coming back over and over again whenever there is a difficult or contentious issue. Edwards and Hillary fans that never got over it, in some cases. In other cases, Obama fanatics that turned on him almost as soon as he got elected and seem to have an obsession with undermining the president.

    There's also quite a few "normal" dissenters; regular folks who just don't like a particular decision by the president, or activists who are single-issue focused. This is always going to happen, and is part of a healthy debate.

    The problem is, when the "normal" dissenters get sucked into cliques with the first groups, it makes rational discussion difficult to have.

    This is one reason why we keep returning to the same flawed arguments again and again: "obama WILL cave, he WILL do this, he WILL do that" instead of talking about these complex policy positions in a rational manner.

    By framing the debate around things that actually haven't happened, it gets pulled into the realm of fantasy where a normal discussion isn't possible. In a fantasy world, it's easy to pretend we don't have a constitution, or a GOP house, etc, etc. And so here we are.

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