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  •  Meh--we apparently don't do any of that stuff well (1+ / 0-)
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    big mouth

    What I've learned from fiscal cliff and debt ceiling negotiations is that we're more than happy to name cuts ourselves, that we don't look to pick off vulnerable republicans when we should,  we do a terrible job of exposing the republicans as "hostage takers", and that we always blink first.  

    You and the diarist are basing this assertion of the democrats' "strength" in coming negotiations on the premise that Obama and Senate democrats will suddenly start behaving differently than they have leading up to now.  I'm no longer convinced they can.  

    We swallowed a much worse deal than we had to, considering that going off the "cliff" put us in a stronger position.  I'm so damn frustrated.  I guess we can look forward to 2 years of both parties telling us that the only way to save America is to hold the rich harmless and defund Planned Parenthood, National Forests and Parks, NPR & PBS, education, infrastructure, food and drug safety, and pretty much everything else that makes us a civilized society for now.  

    Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

    by Mark Mywurtz on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 04:03:18 AM PST

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    •  I'm not saying the Dems will smarten up... (1+ / 0-)
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      But just pushing back against the idea that they gave up their best leverage.   The President and Dems have all the leverage IF they choose to use it.  

      The way the President is claiming no negotiations over the debt ceiling, I have a sneaking feeling that he will get a clean vote over it to send a message to the markets and the world that "America pays it's debts" and that the GOP will be "allowed" a negotiated "win" by getting something over the sequester cuts deadline that was pushed back two months.  

      President Obama would have been a Republican in the 1980's.

      by Jacoby Jonze on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 06:21:54 AM PST

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      •  by the time this comes to happen (0+ / 0-)

        public support for not cutting earned benefits will be over 70% with a little over 18 months until the midterms.

        the president, the white house and dems need to go all out  to push the end to corporate welfare and trim defense to come up with spending can be done if they get public on board, IMHO.

        in the interim, we can keep the pressure on by contacting them often with our concerns and work to make sure others do the same thing.

        mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

        by wewantthetruth on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 07:31:44 AM PST

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