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  •  Boehner will be re-elected Speaker... (18+ / 0-)

    I say this because the faction who voted against the bill last night were a lot of those voted out or otherwise moving on - West, Walsh, Schmidt, Quayle, Akin, Mack were all defeated and Flake and Pence are both moving to other higher offices.  

    Now all but two of these seats were filled with Repubs, but incoming freshmen I suspect would come in voting for the current leadership rather than take part in a coup attempt because they wouldn't know the players, and what whip count to trust etc.  

    President Obama would have been a Republican in the 1980's.

    by Jacoby Jonze on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 07:43:30 AM PST

    •  I tend to agree with you (1+ / 0-)
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      I don't think the split is as deep as we may have initially thought.

      --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

      by idbecrazyif on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 08:03:01 AM PST

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      •  Ohio Rep. LaTourette (R) (5+ / 0-)

        Who is part of the Boehner clique in the House, was all over CNN yesterday and he let drop some nasty remarks about Cantor and Issa.

        I think the division is real here, though ideologically the rift might not be very wide.

        I do see this as a major defeat for Cantor, though, and I think that Boehner will be re-elected.

        "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

        by bink on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 09:06:40 AM PST

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        •  This. (5+ / 0-)
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          Last night was really a referendum on the speakership.  Even the repugs are smart enough to act in their own political interests and electing Cantor would be strongly against them.  Cantor is now covered in radioactive goo.  Making him speaker would be tantamount to handing the Dems the majority in 14.

        •  I missed LaTourette on CNN (2+ / 0-)
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          If thats the case then you are very correct about it being a major blow to Cantor

          --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

          by idbecrazyif on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 09:28:09 AM PST

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          •  GOP Moderates (4+ / 0-)

            Were getting in front of the camera before the floor vote.

            LaTourette and Nan Hayworth (NY-19) were there to be the voice of GOP sanity and, to be honest with you, both seemed quite sane, earnest and non-teabaggy. I took their presence to be a rebuke to the Cantor faction. The GOP probably wants to show its non-crazy face to the public as well.

            Rep. Wasserman-Schultz was the voice of the Dems in the house. She is really a remarkably charismatic person and, again, sounded even tempered and normal.

            It was somewhat reassuring to see that some members of Congress aren't insane, flaming idiots.

            "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

            by bink on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 09:33:48 AM PST

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        •  Hmm, (2+ / 0-)
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          could it go the other way completely--Boehner have Cantor deposed and replaced with someone like Ryan?

          Nate Silver is to Joe Scarborough as Billy Beane is to Grady Fuson

          by Superribbie on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 09:35:29 AM PST

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        •  Issa is a complete ass-wipe (4+ / 0-)
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          ...of the used variety.  In his smug attempt to turn the Benghazi tragedy into a political tool, he "accidentally" released a stack of secret documents that revealed the names of US assets in that area.  Nice, so if Assange is a treasonous thug, what does that make Issa?  To stupid to qualify?  At the very least, yes.

          Cantor?  Don't get me started.  A complete Koch-sucker, loyal to the 0.1%, disloyal to the rest of the American people.  As he talks his lip curls up in a sneer, as though he is contemptuous about having his actions questioned by such peons.  Boehner is a borderline alcoholic dolt, but he is less of a total crud than either Issa or Cantor.  And the Republican rank and file know that.

    •  You're probably right. (0+ / 0-)

      But it might take more than one ballot.

      "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

      by JBL55 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 08:51:58 AM PST

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    •  Boehner needs a majority of ALL representatives (2+ / 0-)
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      Not just of his own caucus. If he can't get 218 Republicans to vote for the fiscal bill then how can he get them to vote for him continuing as speaker?

      I think there is a very real possibility the first ballot for speaker results in no winner (when was the last time that happened?) If this happens then all bets are off. The only way Boehner could possibly retain his title is if he cuts a deal with Pelosi in order to get some Dem votes. But that would happen only if Boehner promises to not be a roadblock in any future "cliff" negotiations.

      What are the odds of that happening?

      •  Possibly pretty strong (0+ / 0-)

        Last nights vote was as much about Boehner showing he can whip up enough Republican votes to actually accomplish legislation as it was about Cantor making a move. Boehner is attempting to prove to the Democratic Party that he can isolate the craziest of the crazy that make up the GOP house.

        "The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian... America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance." The Real Ron Paul

        by 815Sox on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:19:50 AM PST

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    •  Listening to Christie now, I think it (0+ / 0-)

      may be time for a medical intervention, some team of Doctors going to Boehner and saying you are not fit to be Second in line of succession.

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