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  •  FYI Ezra Klein has updated his graph of all (12+ / 0-)

    the fiscal cliff deal offers, and the final solution, here.  Must see:

    "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

    by mumtaznepal on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 10:19:01 AM PST

    •  Looking at the graph (9+ / 0-)

      It's clear the WH got the better of the deal  taking in account that many of the trillions and billions in the blue on the other plans, like the 800 from Boehner, didn't come as taxes but as "revenue".

      In the net round Obama can tel Boehner on his face: Let us see those 800 billion in "revenue" you were talking about, and watch the curses and tears flow

      •  Yes. Somebody try to tell me again that (4+ / 0-)

        the President's the Caver-In-Chief.

        No cuts to social programs. No cuts at all. And he got rid of the Bush tax cuts -- got Republican to raise taxes on a lot of rich people.

        Confession time: When I'm not ranting about politics, I write romance novels

        by teresahill on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 10:39:41 AM PST

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        •  0.06% is NOT "a lot of rich people" (2+ / 0-)
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          Not saying that PBO didn't do the best he could against the fanatics in the house, but if he had won the election with 1 popular vote and 273 ev's - I think he should have held firm to the $250K - that is all he talked about during the campaign. Just my opinion - I do not know anyone who makes $400K/yr AGI much less anyone who makes $250K/yr AGI... Seems like again, congress (house & senate) take care of their own - most of them probablly fall into the $250K to $500K range is my guess... Some I know make just under $125K AGI and that is with two or three incomes... Most make under 70K AGI... I wish he had held firmer and fought a bit harder for us as we fought hard for him to win... Not very mad, just a bit discouraged at this point.. Peace

          GOP = Generic Oppression of the Poor - me

        •  Having read a lot (0+ / 0-)

          from both sides of our internal debate, I think there is a real internal division on the wisdom of Obama's consistent position that most of the Bush tax cuts should be continued and only those at the top ended.  And I think that whether someone agrees or disagrees with the wisdom of that position determines whether that someone thinks Obama got a good or a bad deal.

          If you believe that the lower end cuts are good for economic stimulus and for having the net effect of making the rates more progressive overall, you're going to like the deal and think that the movement on where the line got drawn ($450K vs. $250K) is a relatively minor tradeoff for finally decoupling the top cuts from the rest of them and for the various hostages that were released by the GOP in exchange.

          If you believe that all of the Bush tax cuts were bad and continuing any of them deprives the government of needed revenue that will now necessarily come out of spending programs we like, you're going to think it's a bad deal.  But it seems to me that that is an issue with the goals of the negotiation, not with the results of the negotiation as compared with the goals.

          Nate Silver is to Joe Scarborough as Billy Beane is to Grady Fuson

          by Superribbie on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:26:43 AM PST

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    •  Interesting graph (10+ / 0-)

      which puts into perspective that this is really just the first of a series of battles - and that to my mind, we came out more or less OK.  The really big battle on the horizon will be over raising the debt level.  I hope Obama sticks to his no negotiation strategy, but I still suspect it will be a huge fight. The GOP will have a few months to spin debt hysteria and will not be able to resist brinksmanship.  Obama will come under some pressure especially since the media will focus on the debt and "entitlement reform" narrative... It does seem like the GOP will be under even more serious pressure.  The 30% of the GOP that is bought and paid for by the banking industry and the plutocrats will face tremendous pressure not to default. The 70% nutcase faction will act as irresponsibly as ever.  

      If this short-term fix is already splitting the GOP, just wait until March.  

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 10:30:37 AM PST

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    •  I keep hoping that someone (2+ / 0-)
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      ... will give Ezra Klein a TV show of his own.  Maybe just weekends?  Him and Joy Reed are my favorite floating anchors at MSNBC.  Ezra always adds value to whatever story he's talking about, by thinking and analyzing rather than just reacting.

      What do we make of the contrast between heroic teachers who stand up to a gunman and craven, feckless politicians who won’t stand up to the N.R.A.? -- Nicholas Kristof, NYT --

      by Land of Enchantment on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:30:46 AM PST

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