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  •  Your meme has been discounted over and over (0+ / 0-)

    again.  Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true.

    •  Nope. (0+ / 0-)

      No one has ever disproved that the left is responsible for the enthusiasm gap.

      They claim the left got out and voted (which is true) as an answer to my argument. But that's not the argument Im making.

      The constant bashing from the left cause more people to stay home, which substantially outweighed the votes they provided.  Frankly, we'dve gotten better results had the left just stayed at home and shut up.

      "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

      by Whimsical on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 01:03:24 PM PST

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      •  The sole responsilibity for the ass kicking the (1+ / 0-)
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        Democratic candidates got in 2010 belongs to the Democratic elected leadership from 2009 and 2010.

        To blame people for not being enthusiastic about the shit sandwiches they were handed is wrongheaded.

        •  To expect good results (0+ / 0-)

          without first demonstrating that you can get and keep people in office is wrongheaded.

          It'd be nice if politics worked the way you think it does, but it doesn't.  The sooner the left realizes that and adjusts their strategies accordingly, the sooner there will be progress on progressive goals.

          "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

          by Whimsical on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:17:23 PM PST

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          •  We did our job and beyond in 2008. (0+ / 0-)

            It was there choice where they wanted to go.  

            •  You hated Bush in 2008. That's all. (0+ / 0-)

              You promptly turned on the Democrats at the first chance you had to demonstrate you were a constituency worth listening to- 2010.

              You epic failed, and then have the clueless gall to complain that there's no progress.

              "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

              by Whimsical on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 02:55:03 PM PST

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          •  So 2006 didn't count? (0+ / 0-)

            Exactly how many times do we have to put people in office for it to count? It seems like Obama had it figured out given his actions immediately prior to the election.

            The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

            by AoT on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 08:50:10 PM PST

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            •  2006 was about hatred of Bush (0+ / 0-)

              and the Republicans, as was 2008.

              Your first chance to demonstrate you could put and keep people in office was 2010, and you blew it big time.

              "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

              by Whimsical on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 02:53:35 PM PST

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              •  I blew it? (0+ / 0-)

                You failed too.  Where I'm at we got everyone Dem in Office.  Don't blame Californians, we're straight dem for every statewide office.

                The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                by AoT on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 04:22:30 PM PST

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      •  So progressives and the left need to shut (0+ / 0-)

        up otherwise we'll lose elections.  And by "we" I mean people who don't support things that the left supports.

        Maybe there's a lesson here.  If the left has the power to keep people at home then it might be a good idea to give them something to stop them from doing that.

        And if your theory is right then why is it that 2012 went so well?  It isn't as if people stopped complaining.

        The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 03:04:04 PM PST

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        •  Because of Romney. (0+ / 0-)

          Any candidate that appeared to care about the people would've crushed Obama/Biden, especially given the left's toxic messaging.

          But the Republican's put their sociopathy on full display.  Voters can be easily fooled( especially by poor messaging from the left), but they arent stupid.

          "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

          by Whimsical on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:15:59 PM PST

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        •  Oh and if the left wants to get something done (1+ / 0-)
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          then it needs to stop electing Republicans and change their electoral strategy.

          I thought I saw the beginning of that wisdom emerging in 2012, but judging from the comments around here, I was mistaken.

          "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

          by Whimsical on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:18:47 PM PST

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        •  and, is there a tacit admission that the Democrats (1+ / 0-)
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          are not "left", now?

          •  Of course they arent left (0+ / 0-)

            The "left" has been forcing Democrats to run hard away from them for almost 40 years, and then complainging about how rightward the Democratic party has gone- when they're responsible for it.

            "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

            by Whimsical on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 02:57:05 PM PST

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