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  •  Maybe if he stopped caving (0+ / 0-)

    people would stop attacking him for it.  Blaming us for his caving is absurd.  We're the ones being hurt by it.

    The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

    by AoT on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 02:47:16 PM PST

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    •  Boy you really don't get it! Every time we (4+ / 0-)
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      undermine the President, dont' know the facts, ignore reality and run from rumor to rumor we come just that much closer to get nothing of what we want. The president's real strength is in our support and letting the Republicans know their bad behavior won't go unnoticed or unpunished. Don't like the compromises, then make your support known loud and proud to the people who need to hear it most, the republicans.

      The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

      by cherie clark on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 03:00:45 PM PST

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      •  That is literally the most absurd thing (1+ / 0-)
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        I've heard as a plan.  If the Dems do things we don't like then we should be more vocal in support of them?  Should we have just gotten behind the president when he suggested weakening Social Security?  Yeah, that would have been great.  I lack the words to describe how absurd this idea is.  Sure, if Obama were a progressive and not a Reagan democrat then I could see it, but as he's noted many times he is a centrist and he will propose centrist solutions and bargain from the center.  Maybe you're centrist but I'm certainly not, and neither is this country.

        The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 03:09:22 PM PST

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        •  Make sure they are doing something you don't (1+ / 0-)
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          like, not a rumor you believe but an actual fact. Feel free to contact the President and your Senator and Representative to tell them what you want. But also hammer the republicans to tell them what you want and don't want. See, he isn't a Reagan democrat, why would you say that when it isn't true and you are miffed about something? We are a centrist  to slightly center left country, he is everyone's President and he has to govern that way, sorry. I'm no centrist either, but I am a realist. As for Social Security, you read a diary here all hair on fire that it was on the table, you heard talking heads like Ed Rendell talk about how it was on the table. Now if it was true why would the Republicans have backed away from all of their SS demands? They wouldn't have. Chris Von Hollen said SS was NOT on the table and what I know from experience is he is pretty informed. So did Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Debby Wasserman Schultz. The rest of them are talking heads with their own agenda, like Ed Rendell. You can go to whitehouse.gov at any time and see what is being offered in any package being negotiated, but apparently that is too much trouble. And of course it is much harder to bash the President when you are well informed.  Right now the liberal media is making hay over how the GOP is attacking their own. Red State is ripping the GOP, Gov Christy excoriated Boehner, we smell blood and weakness. Very bad combination, it undercuts them further. The same thing happens when we bash Obama, the republicans smell blood and see it as a sign of weakness. So in a way when you make all you "caving" comments along with all the anti-Obama diaries you contribute to a perception among the GOP that Obama is weak without the support of his base and you risk it becoming a self fulfilling prophecy.

          The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

          by cherie clark on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 04:41:01 PM PST

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          •  He has said numerous times that he (0+ / 0-)

            wants to be Reagan, or that Reagan is his hero, or that during the Reagan years he would be considered a moderate republican.

            And I am aware of what the official statements are from Obama and the administration.Not that any of this matters since the article is correct and I have no need to defend my rights on the basis of social good.

            We are a centrist  to slightly center left country, he is everyone's President and he has to govern that way, sorry. I'm no centrist either, but I am a realist.
            If you ask people what they consider themselves we are a slightly conservative country.  If you ask people what policies they support we are a center-left to left country.

            I still find your suggestion that being quiet will somehow make the administration stop trying for a grand bargain that weakens Social Security.  This is a center right administration by historical standards on economic issues, and even center right if you compare the policies they push compared to what the country wants.  Me staying silent does absolutely nothing to push him to the left, nothing at all.

            The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

            by AoT on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 04:48:31 PM PST

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            •  No he didn't get your freaking facts straight (1+ / 0-)
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              all he ever said about Reagan was he was a transformative president because the country was ready for it. Now he does throw Reagan in the face of the GOP particualrly over taxes, but it is hardly a bromance. Since I am active in the party and an organizer, I know how at least my part of the country leans. I never said to be quiet just to stop bashing the President on KOS.

              The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

              by cherie clark on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:26:24 PM PST

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        •  No, she's right (0+ / 0-)

          we were bad, we deserved to be sent to bed without supper.  When Rahm calls us fucking retarded, we're supposed to work that much harder to support the policies Candidate Obama ran against, because that's the pragmatic thing to do.

          In politics, there is the class war. Everything else is naming post offices.

          by happymisanthropy on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:13:19 PM PST

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