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  •  And when the GOP puts a pit bull in as Speaker? (5+ / 0-)

    We'll be praying for negotiating with Boehner when that happens...especially if conservatives install an ultra RW congressman like Sam Johnson from Texas as a revolt against what happened on taxes.

    •  Interesting point. (3+ / 0-)

      But, as I've stated in other threads, the GOP, as a whole, is currently sputtering, in a shambles without precedent in recent decades. While this will likely be a net positive for Democrats in Washington, we surely can't know specifics. The breakdown of the GOP is still a big, new variable, and unknown.

      It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

      by karmsy on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 12:55:13 PM PST

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      •  They were also sputtering in 1993... (3+ / 0-)
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        We all know how next year turned out, but who knows, right?

        •  and 2006 (2+ / 0-)
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          Let's not call them dead prematurely again.

          The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 01:01:40 PM PST

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          •  2010 was a costly year for us, no question. (0+ / 0-)

            We are still paying a steep price for our losses back then. Nor are any gains we make now, any cause to let down our guard or to become complacent, at all.

            But, context is all. Please, don't just study individual trees;  glimpse the whole forest here. 2010 occurred in the middle of several years' worth of dreadful, shocking electoral losses for the GOP, in 2006, 2008, and 2012. Random?  The result of nothing we did? This streak has been without precedent in recent decades. In the face of shifting demographics--and growing Democratic savvy--I believe it's safe to call it a trend. Which shows every sign of continuing...

            It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

            by karmsy on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 01:46:40 PM PST

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        •  Uh, well, this is different. Bigger. (1+ / 0-)
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          Whatever short-term chaos, the long-term prospects for the GOP were better in 1993, clearly. There was "room to grow," in terms of charismatic, promising, up-and-coming politicians. Today, not so much. The demographics are in the tank, too. And I think the resulting low morale is affecting that whole side of the aisle, if only unconsciously.  

          It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

          by karmsy on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 01:08:34 PM PST

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          •  Difference between 1994 and 2010 (2+ / 0-)
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            In Chinese history they call it the dynastic cycle.  

            First period is a period of expansion and strife

            Second period is of consolidation and stability.  Usually the peak of said cycle

            Third period is one if decay, decline, corruption, nepotism, power struggle and eventual dissolution or end.  The end is usually achieved by a revolution that ends up being successful.

            Reagan was the beginning of this conservative cycle, 1994 and Newt were the middle and Bush jr was the beginning if the third period of the conservative cycle.  2006-2008 were revolts against leadership followed by 2010 counter and 2012 which is hopefully the beginning of the end of this era.  The final push towards Berlin so to speak.  What we're seeing now is complete disarray inter party fighting among remaining figures for leadership.  

            The difference between 1994 and 2010 is one between a party on he way up, expanding its base and consolidating its power and one that is in the final throes of power holding on with all it's remaining strength to it knowing full well it's losing its grip.  

            This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

            by DisNoir36 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 02:47:56 PM PST

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            •  Fascinating comment, thanks. (0+ / 0-)

              For the fits and starts we're seeing, I believe the Democrats are most definitely in an up-swing, where the Republicans were in the late 1970s or so.

              It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

              by karmsy on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 04:46:54 PM PST

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