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  •  The Democratic Party is terrified of the liberal (3+ / 0-)
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    Lucy2009, TracieLynn, Aspe4

    legacy . . . there's no [campaign / special interest/ after-I-leave-office] money in it.

    So, no war.  They'll just keep ignoring the progressives and we'll keep being co-opted into voting for them because of the Two Party Trap.

    "Let's see what fresh fuckwittery these dolts can contrive to torment themselves with this time." -- Iain Banks, The Hydrogen Sonata

    by Rikon Snow on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 04:33:36 PM PST

    •  Sorry, but that's an apathetic attitude. (3+ / 0-)

      You absolutely do not have to vote for them.

      If they really thought that the majority of us won't vote for them, they'd stop this bullshit immediately.

      Even better yet, make your voice heard now in writing, online, on the phone. This is our big chance to get them to understand we don't like what they are doing and there will be electoral repercussions. Not voting for them after the fact and punishing them, and getting them to reverse course will be considerably more difficult than just getting them to act right NOW!!!!

      Corporations before people.... it's the American way!

      by Lucy2009 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 06:38:11 PM PST

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    •  You can continue to vote for them as the lesser of (1+ / 0-)
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      limpidglass

      two evils and simultaneously work for reform of the electoral system toward two ends:

      1) proportional representation
      2) modification of how votes are tabulated and ballots are issued: e.g. condorcet voting, or even just IRV voting (though IRV isn't significantly different from FPTP in terms of end results it's movement in the correct direction)

      If one chooses to vote based on the presumption that one of the two major parties is the only "realistic" vote, then it's almost always the case that the Democrat is the better choice than the Republican.

      I'd add, however, that "less bad" doesn't imply "good." Obama is a bad person to represent center-left politics; Romney would have been more bad. They are both representatives of right-wing politics, but Romney very likely would have been much, much further right.

      •  Voting for the lesser of evils is how we got (1+ / 0-)
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        in this fix.  We just keep getting more and more evil. At some point you have to draw a line, and I am drawing my line here.

        •  I don't disagree with you at all. Not everybody is (0+ / 0-)

          comfortable leaving the fold, though, if you'll allow the metaphor, and casting their options in this light--to still vote D, holding one's nose, but working for real change (that D's will be unlikely to ever bring) is better than withdrawal from the process and preserves them from having to "traitorously" vote for a non-D candidate (or abstain).

          •  Well everyone must choose their own 3rd rail (0+ / 0-)

            I don't expect everyone to feel as strongly about this as I do but I also don't think you belong in the game if you aren't passionate about a few issues.  

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