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  •  I'm not opposed to chained CPI... (2+ / 0-)
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    winsock, Hawkjt

    At least not in principle.

    Do we need Chained CPI? No. SS is fine, and does not contribute to the debt. What we need to do is raise the limit.

    Would I gladly accept Chained CPI as the least damaging social program cut if it meant protecting those more vulnerable in our society in a deal? Yes.

    Go ahead and HR me.

    •  Agree that (0+ / 0-)

      chained-CPI is the wrong approach and raising the FICA tax cap is the obvious solution that at one time Obama advocated.

      In principle?  Well, insofar as chained-CPI reduces benefits instead of raising revenues, I'm opposed -- in principle.

      Will I fight to the death to prevent chained-CPI?  Probably not, but I don't support it and we'd better get something pretty spectacular in return -- I don't see that happening.

      Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

      by winsock on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 01:22:38 PM PST

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      •  And why ever say you'll accept it if you (4+ / 0-)

        don't know what if anything you would get in return.  That's not the way to negotiate.  I won't give up anything until I see what we're getting in return and, no, an increase in the debt ceiling in return for slashing Social Security and Medicare is NO DEAL.  

        Seniors are not hostages.  

        •  This is what kills me.... (1+ / 0-)
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          lippythelion69

          So many seniors vote Republican and continue voting against their own interests.  The debt ceiling?  Again, the hostages are as much Republicans as Democrats.  It's not a threat to hurt just Democrats, it's a threat to hurt everyone -- especially themselves.

          Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

          by winsock on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 01:42:19 PM PST

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          •  Perhaps seniors have sensed a certain lack of (2+ / 0-)
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            gooderservice, priceman

            commitment by the Democratic Party.   George Bush didn't cut Social Security.  If Republicans get Democrats to do their dirty work, they only prove seniors were right all along.  

            You know "vote for me, I cut your Social Security and Medicare but I extended unemployment benefits" isn't exactly a winning argument with seniors and we do vote.  Democrats have become a bit smug about their new found demographics but if they think they can lose the votes of everyone over 50, they are delusional.

    •  cuts (0+ / 0-)

      should be to elimante ss for any household with a net worth over a million  or something along this line
      exclude primary home .

      In all affairs it's a healthy thing now and then to hang a question mark on the things you have long taken for granted." Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)

      by lippythelion69 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 03:58:45 PM PST

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