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  •  If Democrats vote to cut SS and Medicare (8+ / 0-)

    There will be no progressives on my ballot to elect.  Progressive isn't just a label.  You have to deliver and you have to deliver when it counts on the very most important issues when it is toughest and when you have to fight the hardest.  

    Al Franken better stop having fund raising galas and get to work stopping this devil's bargain.  

    Cutting Social Security and Medicare is not funny.  And I don't care how much you support the troops if you can't support the safety net.  

    •  Define "cuts" (2+ / 0-)
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      Chained CPI is the weakest "cut" of all. In fact, it's only a small cut against a hypothetical extrapolation.

      Do I advocate it? No.
      Do I consider it a sacrificial lamb? Yes.

      What you still don't realize is that we have a Republican House. If you want to get something, you're going to have to give something up.

      Conservatism, i.e., arguing that nothing changes ever, is a losing political philosophy. Just look at conservatives.

      •  I don't vote for people to give something up (5+ / 0-)

        But hey, they can give up Defense.  I don't need that.

      •  Is it such a small cut (8+ / 0-)

        for those seniors having to choose between medications and food? People on social security generally don't have discretionary income.

      •  Chained CPI is a demonstration of the power (3+ / 0-)
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        Lucy2009, priceman, shigeru

        of compound interest as the effect is additive. While it may barely be noticeable the first year, it does severe damage decades from now.

        Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

        by Just Bob on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 05:06:11 PM PST

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      •  I guess I look at compromising differently than (3+ / 0-)
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        Just Bob, priceman, PhilK

        you, Obama, and the Dem Congress.

        I'm willing to compromise on on not taxing every Wall Street transaction at 90% in exchange for not touching SS/Medicare.

        I'm willing to compromise on not taxing income over 5 million in a year at 90% in exchange for not touching SS/Medicare/Medicaid/Pell Grants, SNAP, etc....

        I'm willing to compromise on all sorts of things, but only when it's a real compromise on both sides of the aisle. I'm not willing to compromise and make suriving even harder on the elderly and infirm in exchange for taxing the richest of the rich in this country a tiny bit more that won't effect their security or standard of living in any way, shape or form.

        See the difference? That's what you call compromise. Not this weasel, namby pamby bullshit that Obama the self confessed Blue Dog President calls compromise. Fuck the GOP they just got their butts handed to them on a platter. The American public hate them and their policies. Obama and the Dems don't have to cut SS/Medicare/Medicaid for those bastards. And if they do, they absolutely should pay the highest price possible in 2014 and 2016.  

        The Chained CPI will take money every single month out of the pockets of the elderly and infirm. SS is already extremely stingy in it's monthly payments. Nobody can live off of it as it stands, and yet you, a supposed Dem are willing to cut more so that the richest of the rich can pay 20% on capital gains instead of 15%.

        What's the point in a Party if it doesn't have any core values, and won't fight for them tooth and nail after they won a clear mandate in a national election?

        Corporations before people.... it's the American way!

        by Lucy2009 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 06:06:16 PM PST

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