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  •  It's a conundrum. (2+ / 0-)
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    MrJayTee, lippythelion69

    In 21st century America, the power of ordinary citizens is largely the power of the voting booth.

    As long as we settle for the lesser of two evils, the Dems have no motivation to move to the left or accommodate progressives at all. Yet withholding our votes can only aid the victory of far greater evil.

    and round we spin.

    I'll say it, at risk of my everlasting DKos soul: The only way to cut the Gordian Knot is by formation of a truly viable third party of the left. Realistically, a fourth party too, of the teabagger right. I think the country is ready for that, if it could only be funded. That's the only explanation of the sort of alternating mandates we've been seeing. A pox on the house of whomever is in power.

    Funding is an enormous if though. Insurmountable.

    And round we spin... trying to pressure our Democratic "friends" into not dismantling the signature historic achievements of the Democratic Party.

    But hey! the good news is that sooner rather than later climate change will reshuffle all the decks anyway.

    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 03:12:13 PM PST

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    •  It's hard and painful, but (2+ / 0-)
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      PhilJD, DSPS owl

      I don't agree that it's a conundrum.  

      To me, the question is where to draw the line.  At what point does supporting the lesser of two evils become an evil itself?  That strategy can only be temporary.  Otherwise, it's simply an excuse for avoiding the difficult but necessary action of taking a new path.  Refuse to draw that line and we're nothing but credulous punks abetting the neoliberals and their looting.

      I'm absolutely willing to respect differences of opinion on where that line should be drawn, but not to respect a refusal to draw that line, and to do so explicitly.

      For the record, I am not willing to ride the lesser of two evils down to the destruction of the New Deal.  That is my line.  Any significant cut to SS, Medicare, or Medicaid ends my support of the Democrats.  At that point, the negatives outweigh the positives, and it's time for open political war against the Democrats.  It is an incontrovertible fact that cuts in those programs are not necessary in the wealthiest, most powerful society that ever existed.

      Of course, the neoliberals, their clients, and the true believers will scream that you're ruining the society whose ruin they themselves abetted.  With typically faulty logic, you will be either a nobody whose absence will be a blessing, or the cause of national disaster because you are necessary to the coalition--despite the fact that the basic humane values you were fighting for didn't matter enough to keep you in the coalition.

      Let them rage.  Without a vigorous left to defend the New Deal, their path leads to a dead end.  

      As to climate change leading to a fundamental rearrangement, I'd like to hope so, but with the world's governments so utterly captured by the plutocracy, a Shock Doctrine scenario seems far more likely to me.  Has there been a fundamental change in political and economic power to prevent it?

      I'm not willing to bet the world on climate change bringing on a social democratic rearrangement, nor to bet the future of the country on generational change.  And I will not ride the lesser of two evils to the end of the New Deal.

      What's left but to leave behind the abject failure of the Democratic party and take a new path?  

      When the Democrats fail to stand for the basic values of social justice as reflected in the New Deal, I refuse to stand for the Democrats.  That is my line.

      •  The safety net is my line too... (2+ / 0-)
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        MrJayTee, magnetics

        or so I think now.

        After the safety net is cut by the Dems, via chained CPI or whatever new stealth mechanism they concoct... when 2016 rolls around, and we face a choice between, say, Hillary Clinton and Paul Ryan, all the same "lesser" arguments will still apply.

        I don't know what choice I'll make then.

        Now is the time when--maybe--something can still be done to avoid the worst. That's why the arguments we hear on this site to stop rocking the boat, to accept whatever accidental crumbs fall from the neo-feudalists' table, are so deeply misguided.

        When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

        by PhilJD on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 05:12:30 PM PST

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