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  •  The efforts have been there. That they've (1+ / 0-)
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    failed isn't testimony to lack of trying, but that voters -- and this isn't just the left in this country -- are behind Social Security and Medicare by 60-70% majorities.

    That's just reality.

    What, you think Simpson-Bowles Cardboard Commission (Catfood is too expensive these days) was pushed by Obama, and staffed with known Social Security-haters -- and this even after Congress had rejected such a commission, he just had to have it -- you think that came about by accident?

    And even after the Commission couldn't get a formal vote in their favor, what S-B recommended keeps getting revived at every possible opportunity.

    That's the actual history.

    It doesn't matter how many bizarre characterizations you come up with, the Safety Net WILL be offered again, and in two months, and in 2014, '15, and '16. When we go through the fake fiscal cliff/debt ceiling shit again.

    It'll keep getting offered until it happens. And we all know it.

    PS: Politics isn't a team sport. It's about power and resources and who gets them. Notice anything about the conditions of the People for the last 8 years?


    The Internet is just the tail of the Corporate Media dog.

    by Jim P on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 03:53:12 PM PST

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    •  I'm more interested in the last 40 years. The (0+ / 0-)

      Republicans have undermined the middle class, destroyed manufacturing, enriched idiots, crashed the economy, blocked all manner of progress, and all the Progressive Movement seems to do is yell at the people who are brave enough to fight them because something centrist something evil negotiating something.  You guys wanted a Bush Blue, a bully who would slap the shit out of the meanies for you.  I wanted a President who changes the narrative, who governs responsibly, who gets it that he's President of everyone and needs to behave respectfully, even to assholes.  I'm tired of WATBs on teevee, in Congress, in statehouses, on blogs, on Twitter or Facebook or the daily news.  I'm sick to death of toddlers running the country, the economy, religion, society.  

      It's time to grow the fuck up.

      I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

      by I love OCD on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 07:19:26 PM PST

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      •  What planet have you been on these last 40 years? (1+ / 0-)
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        I voted for McGovern in '72; I don't think I qualify as a toddler.

        I want a president who will proudly own the party's legacy of social justice and social insurance, and not keep putting it on the chopping block.  If offering to cut social insurance is supposed to be some brilliant strategy for not cutting (somewhere in the 11th dimension) then I guess my infinite dimensional Hilbert space quantum calculating brain is not up to the task of comprehending it.  I think the 'looks walks and quacks like a duck' test is adequate to identify proposed cuts.

        Your invitation to 'grow the fuck up' invites a response; maybe you can figure it out.

        The hungry judges soon the sentence sign, And wretches hang, that jurymen may dine.

        by magnetics on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 11:36:09 PM PST

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        •  which time, during which frenzy was SS gutted? (0+ / 0-)

          Which time was Medicare weakened?  At what point did Medicaid become smaller and weaker?  

          I repeat, we have 4 years of data here, and the safety net is stronger.  Government spending is less wasteful, government agencies more responsive.  

          You live in a fantasy world where tough talk equals strength.  Tough talk generally means weakness.  Remember Bush?  I do.  Coward and bully with no respect for his office or his country.  We don't need the leftie version of Bush, we need a President who models a better approach to governing while he gets much of what he wants.  I'm grateful that's what we have.  It may save us.

          I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

          by I love OCD on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 07:27:50 AM PST

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