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  •  let's be clear (28+ / 0-)

    because social security has nothing to do with the deficit, it should not even be part of the conversation. if we need to discuss it, we can at another time.

    thanks for the post!

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 03:57:12 PM PST

    •  Can I be reality based about this? (0+ / 0-)

      When payroll taxes were recently cut the deficit was made up from the general fund. To claim that Social Security has nothing to do with the deficit may be a deeply held article of faith, but at least in this instance is not true?

      •  oh come now... it was a measly 2% tax holiday (6+ / 0-)

        for two years... and now it's gone.

        It was a temporary stopgap to help put money into American families' pockets so they could help keep the economy afloat.

        And, it was a tiny "giveback" to taxpayers for the trillions... big T there... of taxpayer dollars handed over to Wall Street and freerider corporations during the financial meltdown. A sort of see there... you got yours too.

        I don't so much mind the argument about the unraveling of the SS funds to continue along this path as I do the argument that these couple years of a tax holiday... $19 per paycheck... have contributed to the deficit.

        These arguments simply are not proportional to the reality of our national inequities.


        One may live without bread, but not without roses.
        ~Jean Richepin
        Bread & Roses

        by bronte17 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:22:30 PM PST

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        •  OK ... (0+ / 0-)

          I am also curious that the congressman didn't specifically rule out the Chained CPI as a cut ... I guess that is on the table?

          •  Chained CPI will manipulate the savings (7+ / 0-)

            to federal pensions and military benefits... as well as SS.

            So, it will give the Republicans some room to pretend they will give up a little on military budget cutting when they are simply shifting. The MIC shrugs off the sequestration threats, but our veterans out there in need will suffer from the benefit cuts that supposedly cut that Pentagon down to size.

            Chained CPI simply shifts costs onto those most vulnerable.


            One may live without bread, but not without roses.
            ~Jean Richepin
            Bread & Roses

            by bronte17 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:41:27 PM PST

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            •  Good points ... (2+ / 0-)
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              elwior, Jeffersonian Democrat

              Did not realize the military implications ...

            •  Department of Veterans Affairs (2+ / 0-)
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              elwior, bronte17

              and the Department of Defense are two different animals.  As the VA doesn't fall under the Pentagon, cuts shouldn't hurt vets.  They will hurt base schools moral, welfare, recreation, family support services, etc.

              Where vets like myself get hurt, is chained CPI

              38 U.S.C. 1104 - COST-OF-LIVING ADJUSTMENTS, Sub-chapter 1, Sec. 1104 - Cost-of-living adjustments
              (a) In the computation of cost-of-living adjustments for fiscal years 1998 through 2013 in the rates of, and dollar limitations applicable to, compensation payable under this chapter, such adjustments shall be made by a uniform percentage that is no more than the percentage equal to the social security increase for that fiscal year, with all increased monthly rates and limitations (other than increased rates or limitations equal to a whole dollar amount) rounded down to the next lower whole dollar amount.
              Now, there was rumor of VA and SSDI being immune from chained CPI as the President said the "most vulnerable" would be protected.  However, that is certainly divide and conquer and erodes solidarity when we need it most
              •  I read a Westpoint paper years ago (0+ / 0-)

                when the Iraq War justification was crushing its opponents.

                And the (officer) cadet noted that in the long run... at the end of the day of the war... the expenses required for our veterans and their injuries would result in cuts to critical military technology and acquisitions.

                No one listened.

                Anyway, it would appear that somehow these things are connected if a Westpoint officer pointed it out in some white paper. Unless this split is recent.


                One may live without bread, but not without roses.
                ~Jean Richepin
                Bread & Roses

                by bronte17 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 11:54:12 AM PST

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