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  •  I believe the latest polls (5+ / 0-)

    have Obama up at around 55% approval and Congressional Republicans at around 12%.

    But hey...with an advantage like that, it only makes perfect sense find a middle ground of compromise.

    •  Boggles my mind too. (3+ / 0-)

      Unless, of course, Obama adheres as rigidly to his committee chairman ideology as a teabagger aheres to theirs.  Ideologues take many forms.  Obama is a corporatist ideologue and no amount of grassroots efforts or soaring approval ratings is going to change that.  

      At least I know why I voted for Obama this time:  Roe v Wade and the 5th vote on the SC.  

      Other than that, I knew I was pissing away my vote if I expected Obama to be any different that he was 4 years ago.  

      •  Remember when George W. Bush forced us to fund (5+ / 0-)

        the Iraq War despite the public being dead set against it and his popularity was at 35%? And he had to deal with TWO houses of the opposite party.

        Yeah. George W. Bush can push through his priorities without any compromise at all despite low popularity and an unpopular position.

        Yet our guy compromises when he has all the advantages in the world. Pretty sad actually.

        •  Both Bush and Obama (3+ / 0-)

          Both Bush and Obama are ideologues in their own way.  That is the problem.  

          Remember how you couldn't pass healthcare via reconciliation?  End result:  When push came to shove, Obamacare was passed via reconciliation.  

          Begs the question:  Why wasn't it done with majorities in both houses of Congress and FOR a better bill?  Why?  Because Obama had given away the store and thought he had cut the perfect deal to please the GOP.  A committee chairman and corporatist ideologue could do no different.  

          By the way, Bush pushed his tax cuts through Congress via reconciliation.  Only Obama didn't have the power.  

          And one more thing:  Since the new line in the sand is the extension of UI benefits, how about Obama find a way to release that money via executive order?  Why?  See above, please.

    •  He has high marks for refusing your advice. (0+ / 0-)

      You're confusing cause and effect.  If Obama had acted like republicans, putting the economy at risk and jettisoning common sense in order to show that he has big balls to complaining partisans, he'd have congress's scores.

       I don't know how you think Obama succeeds by adopting the tactics of the party that has a shelf life of two months by all appearences, just like I don't know why you think the country does better by adopting republican's premises on austerity.

      One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

      by Inland on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 08:33:25 AM PST

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      •  Fact is, everyone knows the republicans are at (0+ / 0-)

        fault. That's why their ratings are so low. Obama stands to do nothing but gain from standing up to them. Just like Clinton did when R's shut the government down.

        Check out his ratings next month if he continues to give the R's their victories that everyone except him seems to recognize as fucking over the country.

        Physics is bulls**t. Don't let them fool you. Fire IS magic.

        by Pescadero Bill on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 08:46:42 AM PST

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        •  Because O made it clear by offering compromises. (0+ / 0-)

          The public knows Rs are at fault because they are: while you can look at O's bargaining and claim it faulty or whatever, nobody can say that he's not trying to avoid the disaster.  

          It would be different if O were, in fact, NOT trying particularly hard to avoid the harm of the cliff, as bbb suggests he should have done.

          One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

          by Inland on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 08:57:16 AM PST

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      •  You people always think this about (5+ / 0-)

        something personal. It isn't. Some of us actually give a shit about the things that are in the platform.

        And yes, I'd rather Obama be at 25% and defending Democratic Priorities than be at 60% giving them away. Because that is how you make lasting changes that matter.

        Because lets face the reality: The Democratic Party, led by a Democratic President just ratified 98% of the tax policy of the most unpopular president in modern times. A man whose tax policies led us to financial and economic ruin. We just chisled that in stone and called it a Democratic win.

        Next thing you know, we will be passing the Heritage Foundation's healthcare plan and calling that a win. Oh wait...


        Next thing you know, we will be cutting Social Security and Medicare, straight out of the GOP playbook.

        •  Your math is wrong, and more. (1+ / 0-)
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          What Obama ratified was the concept that the rich haven't paid enough.  

          Because the gist of the Bush tax cuts were tax cuts for the rich: Obama didn't ratify 98% OF THE CUTS because MOST OF THE CUTS WENT TO THE RICH.

          He ratified cuts for the ninety eight percent of the people.  Not ninety eight percent of the cuts.

          It's the first tax hike in twenty years that the GOP has agreed to.  He made them agree to a tax hike on the rich.  

          If you think that hiking taxes on the rich is a ratification of the Bush policies, well, then I say, let's have more such ratification!  Let's ratify the fuck out of it!  I'll personally build a statue to George Bush as the founder of progressive taxation, hikes on cap gains taxes, etc.  

          You see, I"m not interested in pouring another ton of cement on the legacy of Bush as the worst president ever.  That's done.  Let's do something worthwhile instead.

          Some of us actually give a shit about the things that are in the platform.
          I'm sure you do.  But I don't see how raising taxes on working men and women get us there.  THAT certainly wasn't in the platform itself, so it has to be a means to a better end.  

          One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

          by Inland on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 09:08:36 AM PST

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