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  •  deseved skepticism (3+ / 0-)
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    Mentatmark, isabelle hayes, splashy

    yes people will at first try to grow there own just like people use to make their own booze even after prohibition has been repealled but sooner or later the free market wins out.  That's the way our system works.  Why spend money to grow your own when you can easily buy whatever you can afford?  
    Actually, we have a better chance of protecting our borders and really doing something about serious drugs without our system being bogged down by marijuana cases.  
    I can cite endorsements from white republican male Warden from deep in the heart of RED Texas as well as Republican DA's in the 4th largest city in the country.
    The truth is that the people who are most afraid of it is big pharm and the alcohol lobbies which explains why most politicians are avoiding the issue altogether even.

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    by pollchecker on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 07:42:36 AM PST

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    •  The Alcohol industries fears are idiotic. (3+ / 0-)
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      "Oh, man...do I want wine with these cracker??  I would totally take you up on that, but, I blazed a bowl an hour ago, and you know...nobody ever wants red wine with crackers when they're high" (said nobody ever)

      "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

      by JesseCW on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 07:47:49 AM PST

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      •  Tired of the stereotypes (2+ / 0-)
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        First of all, I have to say that I am really tired of the stereotypes.  It is not productive to the conversation and quite ignorant.  
        Secondly, yes alcohol industry is worried about it because most people have a limited budget and many faced with a choice of legal pot versus beer or wine will choose pot.

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        by pollchecker on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 07:59:51 AM PST

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        •  Dude, I'm sorry you think my regional accent is (1+ / 0-)
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          some sort of stereotype.

          That's how I talk.  That's because I'm a white guy from a coastal community in Southern California.

          The truth is that people who consume cannabis are no more (or less) likely to be teetotalers than anyone else.  

          Most peoples alcohol consumption isn't determined by how much liquor they can afford, but by how much they want.

          "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

          by JesseCW on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 08:08:30 AM PST

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    •  Pharma doesn't care about it. Same for alcohol (1+ / 0-)
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      lobby. It's really a cultural thing mostly. Medicinal pot is already legal in many states and really doesn't do that much. It's mostly a painkiller and is unlikely to put other painkillers out of business since they work differently. And painkillers are not that big as an income source for pharma.

      •  federalization (2+ / 0-)
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        FG, isabelle hayes

        Pot is good for more than just painkilling.  However, it's uses have hardly been touched due to the federal policy.  As long as FDA's position is that there is no medicinal value, research is at battle with the federal govt.  
        Once it is legal across the board, you will see it be used for many other reasons hence big pharm's concern.
        And I do believe pain killers are a big $$ item.   plus any decrease in income can affect profit/loss and influence overall stock value.

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        by pollchecker on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 09:57:28 AM PST

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        •  Painkillers do make good money for several (0+ / 0-)

          companies. Market for actual painkillers is a few billions a year and there is also a lot of off-label use (e.g. addicts). But since opiate-based painkillers are much stronger than pot making pot available won't do much to decrease their use. As for other uses, people do look at them since synthetic THC is legal. But they haven't found much.

          •  not true (1+ / 0-)
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            isabelle hayes

            for starters, pot is used as treatment for both glaucoma and intestinal problems.  
            There are plenty of other potential uses but the problem is the illegality of it.  I mean why waste good research money on something that is illegal and can't be sold?
            Pot is an excellent painkiller without the addictive effects of opiate based pain killers.  It would take away business from big pharm and any loss is not good for stock prices.

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            by pollchecker on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:38:56 PM PST

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            •  additionally (1+ / 0-)
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              pot is used as treatment for depression and a number of mental conditions.   Maybe not by main stream medicine, but that is again because of its illegality.  They aren't going to prescribe something illegal.  However a lot of depressed people use pot, a lot of people with sleep problems use pot, a lot of people with attention problems use pot, a lot of people use pot for anger management.   The ironic part is that when they made pot illegal they claimed that it made people crazy when just the reverse it true.  It helps people who are crazy (that's a joke).
              It's a great sedative as well.  I still believe to this day, the reason there was no violence at Woodstock is because there was no alcohol and lots of pot.  

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              by pollchecker on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 01:12:50 PM PST

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            •  You're right, there are other uses. It's not clear (0+ / 0-)

              how good pot is for these symptoms compared to other drugs but it certainly can be used.

              http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/...

              However, there is no evidence that its use will do anything to pharma profits. In fact, pharma can start making pot preparations if they end up being useful for certain diseases.

              •  corporate mentality (1+ / 0-)
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                is to lobby against anything that affects their profit/loss margin.  If people smoke pot or use other forms of marijuana instead of pills, that could affect that profit/loss margin which in turn could have an effect on stock pricing.
                Since corporate mentality is strictly governed by stock pricing, if I were a lobbyist for either big pharm or alcohol, I sure wouldn't be advocating for legalization.  
                As for big pharm using pot for medical reasons, it is possible that they might invest in THC based forms of medication.  But that would be regulated by FDA because it is medicine and would require investment.  Investment comes from profit and we are right back to the profit/loss/stock market price equation.

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                by pollchecker on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 03:15:15 PM PST

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