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  •  In my mind I distinguish between natural rights (8+ / 0-)

    and political rights. I think all of us have the sense that "the right to a fair trial" is something that exists independent of the political will to enforce it or the popular perceptions. "The right to bear arms" is a political right, because it's in the constitution. It simply doesn't carry that same sense of a natural right, at least for me and for many people.

    Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

    by Wee Mama on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:12:54 PM PST

    •  some here say it is a human right (3+ / 0-)
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      and no, I could hardly disagree more....

      and it is 'god given' too I think?  Not sure why he only gave the right to C18th Americans, but then that is another question again.

      Guns are a menace to C21st US citizens, that I know.  And to those who say guns don't kill, people do - I say that what you need to do then is keep guns away from such people.

      •  There are a few here who believe it is a human (1+ / 0-)
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        right, but that is not a majority view even in the United States. Very few places outside the states think so.

        As to the source of natural rights, I think it can be discussed either from a secular or a religious perspective. One secular approach is Rawls' "veil of ignorance" - what is right is what you would be content with if you didn't know in advance what your situation was going to be. From a religious perspective everyone having "the image of God" is another approach. I can't say seeing in either of those much warrant for gun ownership as a right.

        Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

        by Wee Mama on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 03:06:44 PM PST

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        •  I think we have a natural right to in-kind defense (1+ / 0-)
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          so that would be, in America's case, a right to own a gun that was as easily operable as the one that someone who wishes to harm me or steal from me could reasonably have.

          In England though, a gun would probably be beyond what you could reasonably expect someone else to have.

          I don't think there's a natural right to blast things for fun.

          Principle before Party! Recession 2013!!

          by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 08:32:50 PM PST

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