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  •  You may be right. The larger question is how long (1+ / 0-)
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    we allow ourselves to be held hostage by politicians, paying the ransom of destroying piece by piece New Deal safety net, labor, veteran benefit and education programs.  When do we draw a line and say "this far, no farther."  Never?  When does the Democratic Party stand up for its voting base (as opposed to its Wall St funding base)?  Never?  

    As far as shutting the govt down - when Newt Gingrich and the GOP did that to Clinton the GOP was clobbered in the next election and lost the House.

    •  look even in the GOP were sane (0+ / 0-)

      and yes they are not we'd still be at the same point. IE what do we absolutely want, what do we desire and what would be nice to have because with a divided congress eventually we're going to have to compromise at least a bit

    •  GOP didn't lose House in wake of gov't shutdown (0+ / 0-)

      Just saying, for the record...  the GOP lost some seats in '96 (post-shutdown) and '98 (post-impeachment), but they kept control of the House till '06.  But on the larger point, sure, there's no question they paid a heavy political price and solidified a reputation for ideological obstructionism that they still have today.

      "Happiness is the only good. The place to be happy is here. The time to be happy is now. The way to be happy is to make others so." - Robert Ingersoll

      by dackmont on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 07:40:01 PM PST

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    •  They didn't lose the House. (0+ / 0-)

      When the Dems won the House in 2006, it was the first time they held the House since the Repukes took it in 1994. Here's a little history from Wikipedia about what happened when the government shut down during the Clinton administration. It's amazing how similar the circumstances are to what's happening now. And maybe it's a sign for what may happen this time.

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