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  •  Obama didn't lose seniors because of Medicare (13+ / 0-)

    He lost that age group by the same margin in 2008. He lost that age group in both elections because those people are more frightened by the diversity and culture of the 21st century America, which Obama is the personification of.

    •  I wish people here would stop shitting on seniors. (10+ / 0-)

      My 79 year old mother voted for Obama twice.  She isn't afraid of diversity or culture.  

      There are many seniors here.  Stop this crap.

      you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

      by Dem Beans on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 02:14:22 PM PST

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    •  Clearly, the GOPers (5+ / 0-)
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      demonized Obamacare to such an extent that the fall-off started in 2009,and has remained constant since then.

      Is this really news? Seniors were propagandized that Obamacare was going to ruin their medicare.
      Thats GOP politics in America...scare the crap outta seniors by suggesting a new program is going to screw them...

      As for the 760 billion...sure they threw that around,but it did not get any real was fact-checked to death,and made Ryan and Romney look like liars.

      Two edged sword using outright lies to demonize your opponent these days....sometimes you might get a temporary bump,but it can catch up to you.

    •  True (0+ / 0-)

      That.  The 700 billion didn;t help but it was not that it was the black dude all the Mexicans the Blacks and Chinese and the gay people are voting for. Plus that age are the people who pass more time in front of TV watching Fox

    •  Besides, the seniors have been promised that (1+ / 0-)
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      their benefits won't be cut - it's only those who are 54 and younger who will have their benefits cut.  

      Republican age warfare at its finest.  Trying to divide and conquer the electorate, gambling that they can squeeze out a few more victories by having seniors be willing for their children to have it worse than they do.  I think seniors aren't so greedy and willing to sell out their kids, but I could be wrong.  We shall see.

    •  Those People? Careful young'un (3+ / 0-)

      Lots of progressive boomers hitting "senior" status these days and we read, remember what really happened in all those long past elections, and were part of the crowd that hounded LBJ and Tricky Dick out of office...

      Yeah, there are "seniors" who vote rethug for various reasons... but the old guard is getting older and fewer, while the incoming Boomer bunch consider old 20 years older than whatever age they happen to have hit...

      And the congress critters and Senators pay loads of attention to mymymy Generation, cuz they know the golden rule and a bunch of us (including progressives) have a bit of coin and we VOTE... EVERY ELECTION...

      You can bet there will be  loads of pissed of "seniors" calling and writing Senators and Congress critters if anything smelling of SS or Medicare cuts comes up..

      We could care less about O and his bipartisan bullshit and we understand the difference between "investment" in infrastructure and education and "spending" on pork laden useless Defense programs that contribute nothing to keeping our nation safe.

      As for frightened of diversity and change... who the hell do you think set the goddam groundwork for all this fancy tech you use everyday? If anyone knows about diversity and change it is someone who has had to live through lots of interesting changes... bet you never woke up with atom bomb dreams. We grew up with duck and cover and above ground tests.. We grew up with Sputnik and Man on the Moon... We made the Rolling Stones the band of our generation...

      “Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche

      by miguelmas1 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 02:34:23 PM PST

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      •  Do you know how old I am? (3+ / 0-)
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        No, you do not.

        I'm not going to go through the trouble of pulling up all the polling showing seniors are less comfortable with the changes in society and how that cuts into the numbers of that age group who are open to Obama as a candidate.

        Since the age group was lost by 52-44, that means 44% of them voted for Obama. Great. The question is, why didn't more of them? Many say they were scared into voting for the GOP because of thier medicare campaign tactics. I am saying it is not medicare. It is social issues.

        •  you are painting with a broad brush (0+ / 0-)

          and should back up you contentions with demographics showing ages and locations....

          “Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche

          by miguelmas1 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 02:52:54 PM PST

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      •  were that the case (2+ / 0-)
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        obama would have done better with seniors in 2012 than 2008, because of all the progressive boomers aging into that bracket.

        •  Show me the numbers (0+ / 0-)

          making generalized statements without data specifics is not a good habit...

          “Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche

          by miguelmas1 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 03:19:27 PM PST

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          •  this was covered in detail after the election (0+ / 0-)

            but here's one exit poll analysis of the many that came out months ago.

            interestingly, the only age cohort shifting left in 2012 was 30-44, presumably as older more liberal millennials age into that bracket, and older, more conservative gen x'ers age out into the 44-65 bracket. if there was some liberal boomer demographic wave pushing things leftwards in the over-65 bracket, they don't show up in the exit polls. i suppose it's possible to argue that there was a bigger short rightwards among those seniors older than the boomers that outweighed said hypothetical shift left, but you'd need actual numbers backing up that argument, given that it goes contrary to the overall statistical picture of the past two election cycles.

            sure, there are liberal boomers, but they are not the majority of their cohort, and they are not making the senior population more liberal as they age in, especially. something like that is going on for the cohort in their 30s right now, however, which reflects an internal ideological watershed between older and younger gen x'ers, IMO.

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