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  •  What is your perspective? (1+ / 0-)
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    glorificus

    How do you come to have this point of view?  Do you know of situations where things are working pretty well or have worked?  Do you know of any literature in this area?

    I think this side of discussion is mostly missing.

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 09:13:15 PM PST

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    •  32 years of teaching English in every corner (1+ / 0-)
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      glorificus

      of the Empire.. with at-risk, "regular," advanced and every nationality in the world. I cannot prove what works, but I do know what works.

      I will do a literature review of effective interventions for teen violence and personality problems. I should anyway... just for my own satisfaction.

      Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

      by OregonOak on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 09:56:43 PM PST

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    •  Thanks for hanging in there on this (2+ / 0-)
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      Thank God for teachers and the sanity that you all promote.

      Have you run across the book, Rampage: The Social Roots of School Shootings" by Katherine Newman?  There is probably some more work like this out there, but here is an example of someone doing a systematic study on the causes of school shootings.  

      In the end it sounds like common sense.  But I think more work like this could help with the effort to help more kids who need help.  

      A lot of the comments in reaction to this seem to be unable to get away from the problem of profiling potential shooters.  I think that if you look at it this way, you miss the point.  What teachers and schools need is the ability to do what they know how to do, which is to help kids grow up and become sane adults.  The more we get away from focusing on this, the more the result is mayhem.  

      hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

      by Stuart Heady on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 10:25:13 PM PST

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      •  Education is not training.. (0+ / 0-)

        and this is what the behaviorists can never wrap their minds around. They are so busy trying to extinguish this behavior with intermittent reinforcement or promote that behavior with intermittent reinforcement that they forget they are not training pigeons. They are trapped in a bunch of trees, and staring at the bark of one of them, never realizing its the forest that needs their attention.  

        This in my view is the basic problem; the American public is suspicious of Education, but they love Training. The words are used interchangeably so that no discussion ever really gets to the point; what are we talking about?

        Education is the process of creating morally functioning, happy, and healthy human beings who can operate in a democratic fashion for the good of the whole. Training is for the promotion of the individual in competition with other individuals. BIG difference, and until we decide what we want, we wont get either one.

        Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

        by OregonOak on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 01:15:04 PM PST

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