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  •  Katie Roiphe is a regular columnist at Slate (17+ / 0-)

    just to dash your hopes that she'd gone away or something. Camille Paglia was also saying similar things and getting similar levels of media access for doing so.

    I remember a lot of misogynistic, hateful backlash talk as well, in the late '80s and early '90s. Heck, it was bad enough for Susan Faludi to write an entire book about it.

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    by eataTREE on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 06:50:28 PM PST

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    •  Unfortunate about Kate Roiphe's (13+ / 0-)

      column in Slate. She's a creep. Her views on gender relations come out of the Stone Age. None of her shit has helped anyone, at all, or done anything but sow confusion. Indeed, you could argue she has directly caused a lot of suffering. Camille Paglia is another name I recall, without much fondness, from the 1990s, and for very similar reasons.

      Besides her best-seller, "Backlash: The Undeclared War Against American Women," Susan Faludi has written some other brilliant stuff that has cast nary a ripple in the mass culture. Unfortunately. I'm thinking of her book, "Stiffed: The Betrayal of the American Male," an honest, serious, and provocative discussion of contemporary men's woes, which didn't sell near as well as it should have.

      It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

      by karmsy on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 07:09:44 PM PST

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      •  Backlash And Stiffed Were Good, But Tried Too Hard (1+ / 0-)
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        In Backlash, when she tried to portray specific women as the unwitting victims of society, they often turned out to be the victims of rotten families that featured the usual menu of abuse, alienation, and addiction.  In Stiffed, when she tried to portray specific men as the unwitting victims of society, they often turned out to be the victims of rotten families that featured the usual menu of abuse, alienation, and addiction.  

        Once in a while here someone will be venting their spleen at me trying to satisfy their need to prove I'm a bad guy in their little personal psychodrama, and I just say "Which one of your parents drank?"

        There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

        by bernardpliers on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 10:12:36 PM PST

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        •  That's an interesting reaction, to say the least. (11+ / 0-)

          How is abuse separate from society? Nothing happens in a vacuum. If you see people as somehow not reflective of cultural norms because they've experienced personal traumas, err... that really doesn't add up as a logical argument. By that logic, this rape is a personal matter, and the hordes of people condoning it are irrelevant.

          •  Brilliant, thanks. 1,000 tips for you. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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            It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

            by karmsy on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 06:22:52 AM PST

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          •  Excellent response. I get that from the comment (0+ / 0-)

            too. What you suffered at the hands of someone else then you have no intelligent insight like those who either want to minimize it or silence you. You are totally trash and unworthy of any acknowledgement form those who have not be exploited by those who have thier own issues.

            My whole family is like the Town and the football coach. It is a judgment of who is most useful to them and has nothing to do with decency or morality. I certainly have no problem seeing what is going on clearly though in the days closer to the painful years I was struggling to understand WHY?????????

            Fear is the Mind Killer...

            by boophus on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 07:33:03 AM PST

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            •  Keep Going To Meetings! (0+ / 0-)

              Didn't your "whole family" claim that they "know" what you were thinking at any moment and use that as an excuse to punish you?  Nietzsche, abyss, monsters yadda yadda yadda.

              Keep going to meetings! Work the program!

              There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

              by bernardpliers on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 09:26:12 AM PST

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            •  The HAMLET OF HORRORS (0+ / 0-)

              The Steubenville enablers are a "thing" that infests our nation. Yes, the child brutalized was from West Virginia, another reason the Feds must get involved.  The local prosecutor's MAGGOT was involved, she did NOTHING but brush off the reports. The Governor drooled out a few empty words, thus far, nothing done, the Maggots of STEUBENVILLE High remain, roaming Ohio, and maybe America; most likely, scouring the country for more victims.

          •  I Was Talking About Faludis Case Study Approach (0+ / 0-)

            Sure there is a role of society, and especially in the Ohio case there is the jock culture at work.  Faludi's work suffered because it was like she was doing a book on the hazards of second hand smoke, but she only interviewed people who work in an asbestos factory.

            There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

            by bernardpliers on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 08:10:00 AM PST

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          •  Role Of Society vs Abuse? (0+ / 0-)

            That would be an excellent question for Faludi to address, but her books lacked anything resembling a methodology. She totally dodged the question you just asked, which BTW is not my fault nor does it make me a monster for pointing out she does not address the question you just asked.

            I bought both her books and enjoyed them, but it's not the Malleus Maleficarum.

            I also sometimes drive people to 12 step meetings (just got my old supervisor to their first Al-Anon meeting!), and my GF was raped and abused, so I'm not just some random guy.  

            There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

            by bernardpliers on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 08:25:45 AM PST

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    •  It's sad that Camille Paglia (1+ / 0-)
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      enjoys considerable recognition as a public intellectual while many thoughtful feminist scholars labor in obscurity. It just goes to show you that if you can articulate reactionary bile with a suitable degree of excellence, you'll be rewarded to a degree far out of proportion to your actual noteworthiness.

      As far as the period being described, I would say that the entire period extending from the Reagan 80s to the present has been characterized by an unbroken effort to discredit feminist thinking -- or for that matter, the celebration of diversity in any form.

      Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of non-thought. -- Milan Kundera

      by Dale on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 06:17:46 PM PST

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