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  •  Don't even get me started on the fact... (10+ / 0-)

    that whenever you bring up "a sleeping person cannot consent", you invariably get a bunch of guys saying, "you're full of c***, my girlfriend loves it when I wake her up with sex."  The (legally false) attitude of "the aftermath determines whether it's a crime or not" is so f*ing dangerous.  These people think it's just fine.  Then they get in a big fight one day and the girlfriend goes to sleep mad at him.  Then she wakes up in the middle of the night with a person she's furious at f*ing her.  And he feels perfectly justified because, hey, she never said no!

    You even find this attitude at sites like DK - I've seen it here before.

    You Always Need Affirmative Consent, Period.  It doesn't matter if it's your girlfriend, your wife, whoever.  It's Yes Means Yes.  It doesn't have to be some sort of written contract or some legalize like people who try to make fun of those who insist on consent like to portray it.  A "babe, you look so hot right now, may I?"-"Mmmhmm."  is good enough.  But consent MUST exist, EACH time.

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