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  •  There is also the appeal for conservatives... (20+ / 0-)

    ...that making the poor dependent on charity ensures that the poor will be duly grateful for whatever scraps their betters should choose to hand out.

    For all that conservatives talk about the poor lifting themselves up by their own bootstraps, I suspect that a lot of folks on the right really do like having a helpless and dependent class of poor people to look down on.

    Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

    by TexasTom on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 05:08:11 PM PST

    •  And a charity determines who's eligible (14+ / 0-)

      After, of course, determining what work the charity will do.  Why feed hungry kids when you can build a fab library for your upscale suburb or glamorize your fav hobby?  You can even use your race for the cure to attack another charity for providing services that you don't want Those Women receiving.

      "Injustice wears ever the same harsh face wherever it shows itself." - Ralph Ellison

      by KateCrashes on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 05:14:41 PM PST

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      •  Yup... (9+ / 0-)

        ...doing these things through charity instead of the government ensures that control will remain with the wealthy -- and that's where they (conservatives) think it belongs.

        It a message of empowerment for the 0.1%.  Not so much for the rest of us.

        Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

        by TexasTom on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 05:27:35 PM PST

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        •  Life (1+ / 0-)
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          To the 1%, it's one big tax code.

          "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove." P.G. Wodehouse

          by gsbadj on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 02:45:54 AM PST

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          •  I don't find that tweet offensive... (0+ / 0-)

            I find it understandable. If someone has certain expenses - and we can argue another time about whether those expenses are too high or whether they reflect reasonable values - and they find themselves with less money coming in, then something has to give.

            someone with a high income that could be affected by the charitable giving changes probably has certain fixed expenses that can't easily be changed - mortgage, car, etc. Something else has to give, and it might be their retirement savings and it might be their kids education expenses, and it might be their charitable giving.

            My guess is that they will follow most financial planner's advice and make sure their retirement is fully funded and their kids get the best education, and only then will they look to see what's left.

    •  Don't forget, a lot of them are poor themselves (4+ / 0-)
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      But being a "strong conservative" allows them to think "at least I am not like THEM"... while standing in line to collect unemployment insurance. It is really a shame that public assistance is considered such a negative thing in the United States (and that is not a recent development by any means.) Lots of conservatives are very self assure that they will someday be wealthy, so they seek to try to identify with the currently wealthy. They might be on medicare and unemployment today, but someday they know they are going to be better then those other people.

      Its all based on shame.

      "The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian... America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance." The Real Ron Paul

      by 815Sox on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 06:25:03 PM PST

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      •  Standing in line to collect unemployment insurance (1+ / 0-)
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        OR hiding money in the Caymans to avoid paying taxes, OR, if you're especially worthy, using that carried interest loophole.

        “Social Security has nothing to do with balancing a budget or erasing or lowering the deficit.” -- Ronald Reagan, 1984 debate with Walter Mondale

        by RJDixon74135 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 06:42:16 PM PST

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      •  Somehow? (1+ / 0-)
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        It would just crush them to realize they will never be better off than they are are now.  A nation of Ralph Kramdens.

        "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove." P.G. Wodehouse

        by gsbadj on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 02:49:21 AM PST

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    •  Ayn Rand used Social Security when she (2+ / 0-)
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      got older. Duh!!! What a lie her books are but the right doesn't even have the smarts to know her history.

      Our money system is not what we have been led to believe. The creation of money has been "privatized," or taken over by private money lenders. Thomas Jefferson called them “bold and bankrupt adventurers just pretending to have money.” webofdebt

      by arealniceguy on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 01:42:41 AM PST

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    •  Pork in the FC Bill overlooked (0+ / 0-)

      Why Corporate Subsidies in FC Matter:

      Three days ago, Naked Capitalism published a story, Eight Corporate Subsidies in the Fiscal Cliff Bill, From Goldman Sachs to Disney to NASCAR. Basically, when everyone else was focused on taxes for the wealthy or spending cuts, we actually looked at the underlying bill. And loh and behold, the corporate extenders were egregious and included cash for NASCAR, Hollywood, mining companies, GE, Citigroup, and so on.

      The reaction has been swift, and is useful to understand, because it points to an underlying political dynamic. And that is, change is possible, and “the system” isn’t inherently dirty. We can make a difference, if we try.

      This aspect seems to be frequently overlooked in the mix.  Check it out!

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