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  •  So... let's all give up (1+ / 0-)
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    after all, if we're screwed through 2022, I see zero point in doing anything at all. Right? We should just scream into the void or lay in a roadside ditch. We should all become Fimo clay artists. Since clearly -- clearly -- there is no hope for us at all in the next decade. God, by then I might be hit by a truck too. So whoa, like, nevermind. Let me go hang up my concerned activist jumpsuit and start playing a whole lot more XBox 360.

    Or was there some sense of solution in this somewhere that I overlooked?

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    by mahakali overdrive on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 04:12:03 PM PST

    •  it's right there in the diary (12+ / 0-)

      and also throughout my previous two recommended posts. We need to focus a little less on elections (though those are obviously very important) and a little more on rules changes that disempower these people: gerrymandering, filibusters and the like.

      Remember, you're talking to a dem county party chair who devotes hundreds of volunteer hours to elections. I'm no slouch on that front. But that's not where the real solutions are going to come from.

      •  And how about handing down some (4+ / 0-)

        indictments on all those involved in systematic disenfranchisement? My biggest disappointment with our Democratic leaders is their unwillingness to "prosecute the past."

        If the public sees that criminal politics have real consequences, they might be less inclined to support the criminals that perennially run for office.

      •  Governors' races (6+ / 0-)

        I realise I'm sounding like a broken record but... governor's races are the most important races to letting us take back State legislatures and the House in the long term. We win governors' races which they can't gerrymander we can force better redistricting in 2022.

        Otherwise come 2022, we just lose again as the gerrymandered post-2010 legislatures redistrict in a GOP way again.

        •  Great point (3+ / 0-)
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          Thanks. That's a very, very good point. We just reelected Moonbeam here. He's been pretty decent so far. I didn't think of that. Did my best for the guy despite not liking him much, and glad too since Prop 30 passed and Meg Whitman was kept foaming at the gates. He'll be here for a while, obviously.

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          by mahakali overdrive on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 05:23:58 PM PST

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          •  State legislatures too. (2+ / 0-)
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            That's where redistricting happens.  

            Taking our eyes off the national game isn't something we can afford to do, but we also need to pay much more attention to state legislative races.  Otherwise, we will see this same pattern play out over and over.

            "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, v3, n18 (-8.50, -7.23)

            by Noor B on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 06:29:00 PM PST

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      •  What you say (4+ / 0-)

        here makes a lot of sense:

        We need to focus a little less on elections (though those are obviously very important) and a little more on rules changes that disempower these people: gerrymandering, filibusters and the like.
        I definitely agree.

        Also, you do a good job of making the case that the deck is stacked against us.

        However, the title of your diary – whether intentional or not – carries a defeatist tone. "We're Screwed Through 2022" – I just don't think that type of framing is very helpful.

        I think the title may be offputting to some people that would otherwise be receptive to the points that you make, and the actions you call for.

        Just my $.02 on your interesting diary.

      •  Thus my confusion (2+ / 0-)
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        But for those of us who are not Dem. County Party Chairs, how to we go about these types of reforms?

        Also, should we give up trying to get more Progressive candidates on the ballots or into local seats? That's what I've done locally at any rate: I've definitely done a lot of GOTV for good, solid Progressives in my area at various points.

        Usually as a friend more than a volunteer proper. And I'm glad to see that some of them did make it in. So I guess I don't see this as binary, this solution. That's all. I do recognize the issue of gerrymandering, and frankly, I'm in an area that was redistricted recently. We're still holding out strong Blue, however. So maybe I just don't get the need to advocate one -- basic GOTV and volunteer energies -- and not the other, which takes a higher level of expertise to even challenge.

        As a volunteer, it's very depressing because I'm not sure HOW to take on gerrymandering. I've done my best with filibuster reform by contacting my fine Senators who oppose this reform and have simply heard crickets despite umpteen emails.

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        by mahakali overdrive on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 05:22:17 PM PST

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      •  But how do we get those rules changed w/o winning (1+ / 0-)
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        elections? Catch-22 isn't it? I don't think we can afford to worry any less about elections, though we certainly do need to start worrying about rule changes, in The same vein as filibuster reform.

        Maybe it's time the Progressive movement coalesce around a set of concrete policy reforms. Isn't that what the Progressive movement at the turn of the 20th century all about? Independent primaries, directly elected senators, etc.

        So let's say the platform so far includes filibuster reform and non-partisan redistributing. I'd propose a Constitutional amendment abrogating corporate personhood and defining money as distinct from free speech and subject to the regulation of Congress.

        It might be time to get serious, get specific, and get behind a bill of policy reforms to represent the modern Progressive movement.

    •  Wow. (4+ / 0-)

      This is helpful. You can read academic analysis that are saying the same thing. I'd prefer to take my blinders off and deal with the real issues. Gerrymandering has screwed up the political process.

      Republican-controlled redistricting led to a swing in margin of at least* 26 seats, almost as large as the 31-seat majority of the new Congress. Those actions created a new power reality in the House – or more accurately, retained the old power reality.
      http://election.princeton.edu/...
      I saw a much better article a week or two ago on the advantage Republicans have from gerrymandering but don't have the time to look for it. I'm pretty sure something was front paged or recommended here recently also.

      I really don't understand how we can win elections in the future if we're not willing to deal with reality.

    •  Perhaps one thing we coud do (2+ / 0-)
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      would be to take some of the energy that goes into fighting all of these immediate and urgent battles (most of which we are losing) and begin now to organize for some longer term objectives like taking back control of key state legislatures in time for 2020 redistricting.

      I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction, of the Constitution. Barbara Jordan

      by Lcohen on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 05:42:01 PM PST

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