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  •  This is why (5+ / 0-)
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    MichaelNY, ericlewis0, MPociask, rwgate, elwior

    Liberals need to be loudly for ending the filibuster entirely.  All this stuff about "talking filibusters" is all half-a-loaf pre-compromising and when you do that, the Senate will give you a quarter loaf, or a few crumbs.

    Ending the filibuster is also the ethically correct thing in a democracy, but in pragmatic bargaining terms, the shrieking extremists of the liberal-left (e.g. us) have to be for the full monte fix, and if we get the half-loaf and can life with talking filibusters, fine, but starting with a milquetoast watered down "demand" is just an invitation to this sort of chicanery.  

    Reid will be able to say he's "reformed" the filibuster which satisfies our demand for "reform" - if we demand "ending" the filibuster, they can't just throw any half-assed coat of new paint on the filibuster and claim to have met the request.

    •  I agree with that Scientician. (2+ / 0-)
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      MichaelNY, ericlewis0

      First of all, eliminating the filibuster, or at least disabling it better as in the Harkin plan is more democratic and far more practical.

         But also with the way things work in politics, it's best to aim high to start before the compromising begins.
         This is how the Republicans operate, and it's worked well for them in recent years.
          They also raise a major fuss at Democratic proposals, insisting they are "not serious." It's just a negotiating tactic, which in itself is not serious, and must be seen as such.

      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 11:52:42 AM PST

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