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  •  The Normans (3+ / 0-)
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    actually were the descendants of Norse Vikings. I certainly didn't learn that Stateside in World History, nor heard much about it since, but it's general knowledge over here.

    "We are monkeys with money and guns". Tom Waits

    by northsylvania on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 02:17:02 AM PST

    •  That's right (2+ / 0-)
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      The first ancestor of the current British royal family was a Viking named "Rollo" or "Hrolfgar" or something like that, who invaded Normandy and became its Duke.  William the Conqueror was his illegitimate grandson or great-grandson.

    •  Angles, Saxons, Normans, Danes, Jutes... (1+ / 0-)
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      The big old mush of . . . Germans.

      The "time of migrations" bugs me. Why did they all migrate?

      Anyway, the Germanic tribes were all pretty buff, and they were running from something. They went east, so it was one Germanic group whooping on another. Hitler made a big deal out of that, telling the English that they were fellow Germans.

      What's crazy is that the only ones who weren't were Basques, Ibernians, Celts (?), Italians, and Greeks. Of course everyone else had had the good sense to drop the racism at some point.

      People complain about dirt, but I'd like to see them make some.

      by The Geogre on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 06:34:59 AM PST

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      •  Why did they all migrate? (1+ / 0-)
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        Turf and bling.

        Why else?

        best,

        john

        Strange that a harp of thousand strings should keep in tune so long

        by jabney on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 07:52:34 AM PST

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      •  I'm at least a third Celt on my father's side (2+ / 0-)
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        Welsh and Scotch-Irish, with some English thrown in.  

        Mum's family was all German, from Baden-Wurttemberg.  We still had relatives in Karlsruhe when war broke out, and after V-E Day Lou tried to get a pass to go check on them.  Unfortunately, their last known address was in the Russian occupation zone so he never was able to find out if they'd managed to survive.

        •  Welsh isn't German, but. . . . (0+ / 0-)

          Given all the invasions and incursions of Saxons, it's hard to say that Scots aren't Germans, as the Norse got there and mixed in, and the English came and take (and forgot they were English). The Celtic Scots were probably pretty dilute by the 20th century, so even there "Germanic peoples" were present. The Irish, obviously, had Norse populations.

          The Germanic tribes were really, really . . . invasion-happy?

          I once saw a Euro-Asian White Wagtail (a bird) at Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. The bird had gotten there all the way from Asia. The guy's migration compass got turned on with "East" as its only direction, and it kept going until it got to ocean, then got to America and kept going all the way to the next ocean. I figure that's sort of what it means to be a "Germanic people," only in reverse.

          People complain about dirt, but I'd like to see them make some.

          by The Geogre on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 05:54:35 PM PST

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    •  Don't Forget the Detour to... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...Sicily. (At least, so I've read.)

      best,

      john

      Strange that a harp of thousand strings should keep in tune so long

      by jabney on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 07:54:01 AM PST

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      •  Yep, they were there (3+ / 0-)
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        There is a tiny bit of architecture, here and there, in Sicily that one might characterize as Norman-Italian-Moorish. Rather weird stuff, and quite beautiful. I got pretty fascinated with the Normans there after visiting Sicily awhile back. Saw a museum show about it somewhere. Going back even further, there is also some very strange, and very lovely, Sicilian art from the Greek settlement period. Sicily is a VERY mixed culture!

        If your internal map of reality doesn't match external conditions, bad things happen.--Cambias

        by pimutant on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 09:13:40 AM PST

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