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  •  Bullshit we are not living in genteel times!!! (4+ / 0-)
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    Regular Order in a House full of gerrymandeered lunatics  is what got you this:

    1. Expiration of Violence Against Women's Act
    2. Sandy hurricane bill shut off
    3. 33 repeal Obamacare votes
    4. No jobs bill
    5. No infrastructure bill
    6. Umpteen worthless defense of DOMA taxpayer $$$ waste
    7. Repeal 14th Amendment bills
    8. Unconstitutional calls for 14th Amendment citizenship clauses
    9 Worst of all a Tea party terrorist against the full faith and credit of the United States -- Debt ceiling hostage taking.

    The anger you should be expressing is the hostile takeover of our democratic processes by a kamikaze band of seditionists and lunatics whose sole aim is to DESTROY our democratic system of governance and the very existence of government itself.

    Your wishful wistful call for regular order is a quaint relic of civil times. in 2008 - 2010 there was no government by crisis even though we were in a full blown recession.

    If you hate the fiscal deal. Fine but the facile argument for regular order when the deal plus the breaking fo two traditions -- the Hastert Rule & the technically unconstitutional reversal of the bill originating in the House is what saved us.

    You have a problem? pay attention to what is happening in districting and local/statewide elections. Our negligence in 2010 is what landed us in this situation.

    Until you can tell me how Louis Gohmert, Huelskamp, Massie, Bachman and their talibanesque ilk can be made to understand just exactly how our government works, that they cannot just take it hostage, anything you say is pure smoke!

    We have to do whatever it takes by any means necessary to ride this putrid tea party bronco of the rails until we reach some semblance of sanity. Then we can talk regular order. Else the very wheels of government will come to a screeching halt. Or that is what you want?

    "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

    by zizi on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 08:11:08 PM PST

    •  By any means? (0+ / 0-)

      I don't like that sound of that. Be careful what you wish for.

      •  I meant exactly that (0+ / 0-)

        The Teabaggers can't be allowed to threaten the very existence of our government. If needs be we must fight to preserve our republic. I will not let some frizzle-brained hooey dismantle my government. No.

        "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

        by zizi on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 08:28:54 PM PST

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        •  I don't want that either. (0+ / 0-)

          On the other hand, I don't think that entitles our "side" to behave like the people we hate.

           If we behave like Teabaggers and disregard what normalcy and order we have, how are we any better?

          •  Any means necessary (2+ / 0-)
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            is exactly the creative thing that got us the Biden-McConnell deal, which Boehner himself could have struck if he wasn't such a coward and mortally fearful of his caucus.

            All he did was break the stupid Hastert Rule allowing an actual majority of the House to vote. What is wrong with that. Why should we be held hostage to a Hastert rule that has no constitutional basis and is subject to abuse by a rump taebagger minority?

            "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

            by zizi on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 08:46:21 PM PST

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            •  I see what you mean. (1+ / 0-)
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              If you think about it though Bohner is at fault for not enforcing the Hastert Rule, which isn't such a bad thing since he's a jerk anyway. He could have stopped the Biden-McConnell deal, but didn't. Good for us, but made himself look like a wimp! Haha!

               Anyway I took the "By any means" in the wrong way. I see that you have no interest in bloody revolution or corrupt Teabagger nonsense after all. :)

        •  Let the Teabaggers be the fools. (0+ / 0-)

          The Democratic Party should stand strong it with what liberal/progressive policies it has left, but it should do it without behaving like the Teabaggers.

           The Teabaggers are the yahoos here that snub the rule of law and democracy. Not us.

    •  No, he's right (0+ / 0-)

      We have "three men in a room" government in NY State and despite the fact that those three men trend far closer to progressive acceptability normally than the federal government does, it's still a godawful way to run a government and not a trend that I wish to see continue on the federal level.  I've been out of touch with state politics for a while, but there was a time when I literally couldn't remember the last time a budget got passed on time, for instance.  Nor does it probably matter what the people as a whole or the majority of representatives think about fracking.  And so on.

      Your comments show the major reason why things are currently dysfunctional to such an extreme, but the system is still problematic by its nature.

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