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  •  Well President Obama and the GOP are gearing up to (3+ / 0-)

    take a bite out of Social Security long before 2014, and Dems in 2010 managed to lose a boatload of seats w/o acting on guns. The economy, as always, will be the prevailing issue, and the political danger of embracing gun control is overstated. For example, Mitt Romney won the GOP primary despite his gun control past, and Tim Kaine just became governor of VA despite backing gun control. Plus the political landscape seems to have shifted, with the NRA retreating.

    I can't say I'm a huge gun control advocate - I prefer to try to strike at the heart of problems -- but I've noticed that people here who are opposed to gun control, rather than argue straightforwardly against it, tend to go at it sideways, and this demagogic, oppose-gun-control-or-lose-Social-Security post is par for the course.

    •  read the diary (10+ / 0-)

      i made very straightforward arguments against an AWB.  

      instead of just declaring my post demagoguery and once again making it all about me, howzabout you elucidate where the electoral musings are wrong?

      please explain to us all how there is, indeed, nothing to fear from an AWB and that dems will retain all three branches, no worries.  better still, tell us how we'd get a not-toothless AWB outta this House?

      i'm all ears.

      Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

      by Cedwyn on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 08:08:53 AM PST

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      •  I'm (2+ / 0-)
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        criticizing the scare-mongering frame employed in the title, gun control or Social Security.

        But yes, coming from someone who's on record supporting cuts to Social Security, it's even worse.

        •  David, I have a lot of respect for you - (5+ / 0-)

          However.
          This purity of liberalism litmus test of: "on record supporting cuts to Social Security" as an arbiter of all comments on other topics?

          Does this comment of yours (which I agree with) diminish your comments in this thread?

          This occupation is at the root of the conflict and, if you're any kind of liberal, it should dictate your moral math.
          Sounds like an anti-Police State comment, so how can you be in-favor of DiFi's requirement for invasive inspections re: the new AWB?

          How many cracker Sheriffs will remove guns from African-American or Hispanic households with only the most flimsy: "We know how you and your kind are" justification?

    •  Sadly, that's my take as well. (1+ / 0-)
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      this demagogic, oppose-gun-control-or-lose-Social-Security post is par for the course.
      Kos was right yesterday:
      GOP will make Democrats own any entitlement cuts
       

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      by divineorder on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 08:11:36 AM PST

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    •  This is anything but demagoguery. (12+ / 0-)

      It's pragmatism.

      "Everything I do is blown out of proportion. It really hurts my feelings." - Paris Hilton

      by kestrel9000 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 08:11:55 AM PST

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    •  The logic is irrefutable, firearm regulations = (2+ / 0-)
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      giving a win to Republicans on Social Security.  It doesn't make sense to you or to me, but to them anything that attacks their idols or their scared 27-Word text must be equated with the most evil thing they can come up with, in this case the demise of Social Security for Kossacks.

      Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

      by DefendOurConstitution on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 08:17:37 AM PST

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    •  gun control doesn't equate with aGOP support (1+ / 0-)
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      Mitt Romney won the GOP primary despite his gun control past, and Tim Kaine just became governor of VA despite backing gun control.
      With all things being equal, many members of the gun community will back a Republican, by default.  Advocacy of the 2nd Amendment has historically been conservative (only) territory, but this is changing.
      Plus the political landscape seems to have shifted, with the NRA retreating
      Many reports state that following the Newtown shooting that the NRA was enrolling new members at about 8,000 per day, I am one of those who have been prompted to join the NRA in opposition to the current ban proposals.  The NRA is also predominately a lobbying organization, not a PR organization and their time and efforts will be spent after legislation gets drafted, not before.

      I am also opposed to gun control in its current form.  I don't believe that additional restrictions, especially the same old arguments we've heard out of the same tired players for years (e.g. DiFi, Schumer) will bring about any sort of positive change.  We need to be focusing our efforts on the fact that we have a 'criminal with guns' problem rather than a citizens with guns problem.

      •  yup...let's enforce the laws already on the books (2+ / 0-)

        before we go all gun-grab crazy.  repealing the tiahrt amendment sounds like a good, workable solution.

        or we could go to the mat over superficial things like how a gun looks in the hopes of stopping some 2% of u.s. gun deaths.  since when is addressing 2% of an issue effective policy, yannow?

        i prefer social programs to solve the problem; the things in my tip jar were just suggestions of gun-oriented solutions that might actually pass and hopefully erode support for an AWB.

        Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

        by Cedwyn on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 06:13:43 AM PST

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        •  I agree repealing the tiahrt amendment (1+ / 0-)
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          sounds like a positive move.  I admit that I actually had to look the term up as I had never heard of it before.  I am honestly a bit shocked at what I read.  I think that the overwhelming majority of lawful gun owners are absolutely opposed to illegal activity, trade, and agree that we need to do what we can to keep lethal weapons out of the hands of those who should not have them.

          You are correct that, at least in the long haul, social problems require social solutions.  There is also the issue that there is a lot of variety amongst the states in terms of laws and operations.  Interestingly, there appears to be an inverse correlation between strict laws and (gun) violence.  What is not clear is how much of this is cause and effect.  I think that if we could really study it, we would find that there are both positive and negative forces at work.  An example of what I mean by this is we would likely see that increased civilian carry does deter violent crime, but also increases the number of guns in the hands of criminals due to things like theft.

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