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  •  Debt Ceiling BS (8+ / 0-)

    This president needs to use the power available to him to benefit the nation and its citizens, especially when institutions balk.  Get a backbone, Obama.  Take a lesson or two from LBJ!

    Newt 2012. Sociopath, adulterer, hypocrite, Republican.

    by tikkun on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 10:10:06 AM PST

    •  Yep. 14th Amendment. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      •  Problem is the GOP would try to impeach him (0+ / 0-)

        for using it.They are just looking for an excuse. Then you would also be involving the Supreme Court. Not exactly what we need right now.

        "The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian... America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance." The Real Ron Paul

        by 815Sox on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 11:10:10 AM PST

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        •  Using the 14th Amend. isn't a high crime or (3+ / 0-)
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          misdemeanor.  The Supremes might be asked to adjudicate the 14th amend question.  I'd welcome their opinion.  Even this conservative court's opinion.  Roberts already stepped out once and said settle the fiscal cliff deal.

          •  They would still take him to court over it (0+ / 0-)

            "The political fallout for Obama would be worse.  Republicans wouldn’t have the votes to impeach him, even though it would certainly be a provocation of Congress that might justify the attempt.  They would take him to to court, though, and courts would waste no time slapping down the White House.  That would cement Obama’s burgeoning reputation as the very kind of “imperial President” that his supporters kept accusing George W. Bush of becoming.  That conclusion became clear enough with Obama’s refusal to seek Congressional approval of his military adventure in Libya, but issuing an EO to override longstanding precedent and statutory law would finish Obama.
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            http://hotair.com/...

            In fact, the GOP has already started making noise about it.

            "Speaking at a Tea Party event in a suburb of Charleston, S.C., Rep. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) said it would be an "impeachable act" for the president to find a way around Congressional authority to raise the debt ceiling.

            Read more: http://thehill.com/...

            "The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian... America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance." The Real Ron Paul

            by 815Sox on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 12:31:54 PM PST

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        •  So? Is this about saving earned benefits, or all (3+ / 0-)
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          About one man's career and place in history?  

          Not to mention, Clinton's approvals skyrocketed post-impeachment, as folks saw the likes of now-Sen. Graham for who they really are.  And it'd never get through the Senate, anyway.

          •  An impeachment trial is not a "so" worthy thing (0+ / 0-)

            It would just be a huge distraction that would take focus away from important issues.

            "The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian... America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance." The Real Ron Paul

            by 815Sox on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 12:29:44 PM PST

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            •  Honestly, given the make up of this current (1+ / 0-)
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              Republican caucus in the House, one wonders if impeachment might be about the least harmful project they could take on during this term.

              While people think it was a bad thing that the 112th Congress was "do nothing", it is difficult not to contemplate the lengthy list of horrors we might have seen if they had been as hard-working as Pelosi's Congresses were when she was Speaker.

              We have important and pressing issues, but it really might be wise to think long and hard about the things that might be best left to another House down the road.

              Immigration is one big issue that comes to mind immediately in this category.  The kinds of draconian and potentially very damaging policies that we will see from this radical Republican majority are, frankly, scary.  Immigration is complex and it requires a thoughtful, rational and sensible approach.  People willing to tank the entire American economy because they are insane ideologues or just because they hate President Obama having a big say in such an important and complex piece of legislation - well, doesn't that sound frightening?  I hate to think how many people will be victimized in that process.

              Anyway, if the House wants to spend its time doing exactly what they are trying to do anyway - which is to destroy Obama - and they choose impeachment as their mechanism, on some level that's the least harmful project - even for Obama - for them to undertake.

              It really could also mean the end to the Republican Party as we know it.  2014 would not work out for them, I can almost guarantee that outcome if the Republicans in the House decided to try to impeach Obama.  Furthermore, not trial would be held in the Senate - they would walk away - and the seats in the Senate on our side that are up for grabs right now would be a lock for Dems.  People in this country are sick and tired of Congress - if the GOP continue on their path of destruction, they're going to get themselves trounced at the polls.

              Just sayin'

          •  Also, do you really want a referendum on Obama? (0+ / 0-)

            Again, we have already done it several times. You know the GOP would love nothing more then to start screaming about him again. It would also be a great way to reignite and unify a very fractured GOP party, especially right before 2014. Which are going to be extremely important. The 14th isn't as simple of a decision as some believe it to be.

            "The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian... America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance." The Real Ron Paul

            by 815Sox on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 12:35:58 PM PST

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