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    •  Holding the President spotless above all else (5+ / 0-)

      is the wish of many. If it means accepting Republican frames to do it, then so be it.


      The Internet is just the tail of the Corporate Media dog.

      by Jim P on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 12:04:28 PM PST

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      •  hyperbole much? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        "The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian... America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance." The Real Ron Paul

        by 815Sox on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 12:32:45 PM PST

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        •  Fact much. (3+ / 0-)
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          You missed all the defense of putting Chained-CPI on the table? Giving up the public option? Giving up negotiating drug company's prices down for Medicare? The expansion of the Security State? The protection of the Banksters? The appointments of right-wing/repubs/Wall St insiders to cabinet positions? And previously, the vote in favor of the "small people can't go bankrupt" bills, the Telcomm spying, etc.

          For a very very very partial listing. You might want to read more for a realistic assessment of where some posters are coming from.


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          by Jim P on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 01:05:44 PM PST

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          •  No not "fact", far from it actually (0+ / 0-)

            But the suggestion that "many" are willing to "accept Republican frames" in order to "Hold the President spotless" is indeed a hyperbolic statement and not a "fact".

            "The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian... America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance." The Real Ron Paul

            by 815Sox on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 01:14:04 PM PST

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            •  I just listed a bunch of Republican-based (3+ / 0-)
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              and -favoring ideas, plans, and actions which Obama has promoted, all in the public record. (To which we can add Romney's health-care plan.)

              And it's only a very very very partial list.

              If you didn't see people defending them because the President holds them... I can't account for how you missed that. It's like saying there's no such thing as a sky.

              Adios.


              The Internet is just the tail of the Corporate Media dog.

              by Jim P on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 01:21:00 PM PST

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              •  Right, so Obama is turning us all into Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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                Most people (myself included) criticize certain things he does and like other things that he does. Most importantly, they also realize that he isn't working with the friendliest people right now. Especially in the house. Furthermore, he has always been a centrist in some positions. Do some of the things he has said concern me? Sure, but I am not going to call him a Republican. Furthermore, lots of the criticism I read is because of certain things he has "said" not actually "done".

                Honestly, when I hear all of this "He is a secret Republican" bullshit I really do not think of it all that differently then the idiots who claim that he is a "Secret Marxist" or "Secret Muslim". Sounds to me like you are are making the suggestion that "people are throwing away their ideals (freedoms) because they are more concerned with supporting "The Messiah". Doesn't really sound any different then a Republican criticism.

                "The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian... America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance." The Real Ron Paul

                by 815Sox on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 01:42:30 PM PST

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                •  Thank you!! (0+ / 0-)

                  I feel exactly the same way.  I'm not an "obamaroxr" by any means, but I get really frustrated at the hyperbolic claims of "secret republican" too.  They don't help the conversation at all.

                  Sure, he's not as liberal as we'd like him to be.  That is the result of thirty+ years of GOP media control swinging the Overton window to the max right.  We need another thirty years to swing it back to the left, and only then will we get true progressives in power.

                  For now, let's hold his feet to the fire, and lay off the conspiracy theories....

                  "Mediocrity cannot know excellence." -- Sherlock Holmes

                  by La Gitane on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 03:28:22 PM PST

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                •  I don't think it's a secret that (2+ / 0-)
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                  he accepts Republican notions as a part of his thinking. He's been pretty open about that.

                  Nor is it a secret that the Democratic Leadership, the DLC at its heart, decided deliberately and consciously, to absorb and mimic Republican thinking, attitudes, and programs in the mid-90s.

                  They boasted about it! And it was those era Clintonites and a bunch of King Bush the Insane's advisers and heads which he kept on when he took office.

                  Perhaps you weren't following politics then, and don't know how far Dem Leadership has thrown aside traditional Democratic priorities in favor of Republican ones. Ask "why debt crisis [sic], not Jobs crisis?" for one example.

                  Just because almost the entire leadership would be recognized as moderate Republicans of the 1980s (you'll not force me to dig up Obama's video I hope) doesn't mean that they haven't adopted Republican positions.

                  They have. Not every one. Just the ones on Perpetual War, the sacredness of Wall Street, and that every citizen is a suspect. (I take as my litmus test: laws passed; policies proposed; and executive orders. These are all objective.)

                  It also doesn't mean that poor silly voters who've been involved with the Democratic Party and its ideals for 10, 20, 30, 40, and 50 years (I went door to door in the Bronx raising money for JFK's campaign) have to pretend that seeing the party promote Republican or Republican-lite positions is a positive thing.

                  Welfare "reform" made the position of poor people worse. Banking reform has brought us catastrophe. Even though I like Bill Clinton a lot when I hear him speak, he fucked us over big time. With Republican positions, even with the (D) after his name.

                  A politician is a politician, and policy is policy. Like most other life-long Democrats, I judge things on policy. Many here will adopt whatever policy is pushed by their favorite politician, and go to any lengths to blunt criticism. No matter how legitimate. That's why we see people who continually defend whatever it is the President does, even if it's Republican-inspired or a concession to their goals. Because the policy just doesn't matter to them, the man does, and that's the whole story to them.

                  I could name a host of people who pounce on every single criticism of the policies and the predilections of the President, so it's hard to understand how anyone could have missed them.

                  Hell, there were people here who INSISTED going to chained-CPI over CPI as it stands wouldn't mean a cut to recipients. Simple arithmetic would be overthrown in defense of the President's proposal! This happened! Of what does that bespeak?


                  The Internet is just the tail of the Corporate Media dog.

                  by Jim P on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 06:04:57 PM PST

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