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  •  his vote for it (0+ / 0-)

    after spending months arguing against it played right into bush's hands, because they were casting him as a flipflopper. i think that vote may have cost both kerry and hillary the presidency. but that's the problem with this whole hagel thing- democrats make lousy votes to appear tough, because democrats are supposed to be weak on national defense. it's time to kill that entire framing, and appointing a republican secdef doesn't exactly do that.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:15:43 PM PST

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    •  Well, yes. I'd prefer Wesley Clark in that sense. (2+ / 0-)
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      But this isn't about Obama trying to look "tough". That was Hillary's mistake and it cost her the 2008 nomination more than any other single factor.

      This is about Obama sending a message to Netanyahu. Full stop. That's it. Hagel isn't going to DoD to screw over gays. Whatver his personal feelings about DADT repeal, his record in the USMC indicates that he is capable of executing orders given to him by his superiors.

      There is no better way in which Obama could stand up to the neocons. There is no other individual who would have a better shot at getting through the Senate over the objections of the Israeli-American right. That is, of course, assuming that Democrats stand behind the President's nominee.

      DADT is gone. That war is over and the good guys won. Hagel has waved the white flag. Cease fire already.

      You can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

      by Eric Stratton on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:29:46 PM PST

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      •  netanyahu already understands obama's message (0+ / 0-)

        it's why he openly supported romney...

        we need democrats to appoint democrats, period. we need democrats to appoint people who share democratic values, period.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:32:50 PM PST

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        •  No sympathy for the devil. (2+ / 0-)
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          Shane Hensinger, poco

          The Dread Pirate Laurence takes no prisoners.

          You can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

          by Eric Stratton on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:45:08 PM PST

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          •  OMG you two and your back and forth is (2+ / 0-)
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            Eric Stratton, poco

            absolutely hilarious. I've been following it throughout this entire thread and it's side-splitting. I particularly like your "Moses" comment - I was on the floor over that one.

            Thank you :-)

            "The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony." Susan Sontag

            by Shane Hensinger on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:50:32 PM PST

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            •  Thanks. I am especially proud of the Moses quip. (3+ / 0-)
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              Shane Hensinger, poco, edwardssl

              You've been a great audience, please remember to tip your waitresses and bartenders. I'm in Vegas in two weeks. You people are beautiful!

              You can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

              by Eric Stratton on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 05:00:59 PM PST

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