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  •  When I doorknocked in John Kline's district (35+ / 0-)

    Most people I spoke to believed John Kline was as centrist as  Senator Amy Klobuchar (D-  Minnesota)  .

    " I am voting for John Kline and Amy"

    •  He sends out a newsletter (30+ / 0-)

      that identifies one pro-labor, pro-worker action every month. Not much else.

      You'd think he was an AFL-CIO guy.

      "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

      by bontemps2012 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 09:29:35 PM PST

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      •  Here's a good article about Ron Paul that (9+ / 0-)

        describes that same shell game tactic  in the context of appealing to Birchers and other racists (from David Frum who was seeing the damage that this devolutionary trend in the GOP was about to wreak on his party).

        In the early 80s, between marriages, I was dating a lady whose father was a JBS member.  I had one memorable conversation with him about Holocaust denial.  It was chilling. Eisenhower was a pinko and Hitler was misunderstood.  The early Birch Society was fairly rife with H-deniers and Robert Welch ran out the ringleaders (understanding as he did that this was a poison pill) but the rank and file, like my girlfriend's dad and many Paulites, maintained the racism and conspiracy mongering within the Society, with impunity.  

        See Lee Atwater's nigger speech for an explanation of why that was.

        "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

        by nailbender on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 09:43:42 AM PST

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        •  Can you expound the Hitler was misunderstood (0+ / 0-)

          statement as a friend who does some work for people whom I suspect to be birchers, suddenly came up with this exact statement. I have know this person for 25+ years and never before heard any crap like this before.

          •  Simply put, Hitler was the good guy and the Allies (0+ / 0-)

            spun a narrative that was at odds with the millennial fascist reality that the Nazis and the Axis were in the process of bringing much needed order to the world and the Allies fabricated the story about the Holocaust and Axis atrocities because Jews!  It's revisionism at its most mendacious level.  And you should distance yourself from your friend.  He's a racist crackpot.

            "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

            by nailbender on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 10:36:56 AM PST

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            •  Pat Buchanan is typical. (0+ / 0-)

              Did Hitler Want War ?

              There's a lot worse from this man.

              Said the Jewish population in the United States dropped in the 90s because Jews aborted their babies. Buchanan explains that the decline in the American Jewish population (a decline that never occurred, factually), “is a result of the collective decision of Jews themselves. From Betty Friedan to Gloria Steinem in the 1970s to Ruth Bader Ginsburg today, Jewish women have led the battle for abortion rights. The community followed.”

              He's also another one for running drag nets on illegal immigrants.

              "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

              by bontemps2012 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 06:33:55 PM PST

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        •  JBS (0+ / 0-)

          Every large organization has to cope with people who join because they think they can manipulate that organization toward their own beliefs.  Many liberals experienced this problem with Communist Party members during the 1940's and 1950's -- for example labor unions and civil rights organizations such as NAACP.

          What you are conflating is two entirely separate issues i.e.  the official position of the JBS regarding such matters as holocaust-denial or bigotry of any kind versus the personal opinions of a member who usually keeps those views to himself because he knows what would happen if he made the JBS aware of his personal views.

          Yes, the JBS had members who were racists, or anti-semites, and other unsavory types --- but if they publicly expressed their bigotry (particularly if it was ever done in connection with the JBS) -- their membership was immediately terminated.

          So for you (or anybody else) to attempt to link the JBS with those expressions of bigotry is maliciously unfair -- UNLESS you are prepared to equally link all left-wing organizations and causes with the bigots or extremists who latch onto those groups as well.

          •  So you have personal experiential knowledge of the (0+ / 0-)

            inner workings of the JBS?  I'd be interested to hear of your experiences.

            As to your charge that I'm being unfair to the JBS, well I don't have any stats, obviously, since they don't exist to my knowledge, just my own experiences over the years interacting with several members.  And since I've had far more interactions with leftists over that same time period and have never met a Communist or anarchist whom I might have been able to label as such had he or she bothered to proselytize me like the several JBS members did, I'm just extrapolating in a very admittedly non scientific way.  

            "Busted,"
            if that's what you want me to say.

            "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

            by nailbender on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 10:45:09 AM PST

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            •  My Experiences With JBS (1+ / 0-)
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              Nailbender:  I have debated or talked with hundreds of JBS members during the past 40+ years and I have eviscerated most of their arguments via my detailed online reports about the JBS (and its assertions) which are based, primarily, upon FBI investigative files.  

              For my trouble, the JBS banned me from posting messages on their website forums and many JBS members state or insinuate that I am a Communist or a "New World Order stooge".

              Some of the criticisms of the JBS (especially regarding its contemporary membership) are NOT fact-based nor even fair but much of the criticism of the JBS has been the inevitable result of its own beliefs and behavior.  However, Birchers use the unfair and false comments of ignorant  critics to divert attention from the history of the JBS as an organization -- which many contemporary members know very little about.

              •  "New World Order" stooge -- funny. (0+ / 0-)

                "New World Order" was operational name for the coalition that got put together for our side of the Gulf War.

                I got the tee-shirt with the flags.

                "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

                by bontemps2012 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 05:11:38 PM PST

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                •  New World Order (0+ / 0-)

                  Your ignorance is showing again.  "New World Order" is a phrase which originated decades before the Gulf War.

                  When the JBS refers to "NWO" -- they do so in the larger historical context of what they claim has been a century-long effort by "collectivists" to create a "New World Order".

                  Usually, the JBS describes this effort in Manichean terms, i.e. ultimate evil guys (nazis, communists, socialists, liberals, etc) vs ultimate good guys (libertarians and conservatives).

                  The JBS also describes the NWO in terms of a conspiratorial plot to change long-standing moral and cultural norms.  

                  For example, this comment from the April 2011 JBS Bulletin:

                  "The history of the socialist movement in the U.S. is one of advocating mandatory public education. Recall that it is the tenth step toward communizing any country outlined by Karl Marx in The Communist Manifesto…The aim of the Conspiracy has always been to break down the old social order and replace it with the anti-God system of socialism. Kindergarten was part of the breakdown of the old social order and it included that indoctrination of children at an ever-younger age away from their parents."

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