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  •  How else to cut Military spending? (2+ / 0-)
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    Shockwave, bontemps2012

    It might take people working together to crack that nut. lol no pun intended to Birchers :)

    •  Well, letting the "sequester" formula (6+ / 0-)

      kick in is straightforward. That is one step.

      Then look for another step. Then another.

      Birchers want to cut everything except the military.

      "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

      by bontemps2012 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 05:02:59 AM PST

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      •  Birchers and Military (0+ / 0-)

        You could not be more mistaken.

        The JBS would support ANY serious attempt to reduce our military spending because they want the U.S. to stop intervening in the affairs of foreign countries.

        That is why the JBS supported Cong. Ron Paul.  Surely you understand that Cong. Paul's entire political career was based upon a non-interventionist foreign policy and that he opposed ALL of our most recent wars??

        How could you make such a comment when the JBS position is exactly OPPOSITE of what you claim?

        •  Bircher candidates rarely back Paul's (0+ / 0-)

          talk about cutting the military budget.

          The Birch Society went on for decades pushing anti-communism in all its militarized glory. That's where the Kochs are today and what they spend money backing.

          "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

          by bontemps2012 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 10:39:20 AM PST

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          •  Mistaken Again (0+ / 0-)

            Yes the JBS was anti-communist but it did NOT support a globalist or internationalist foreign policy.  Furthermore, the JBS associates itself with Cong. Ron Paul -- and anybody remotely familiar with his positions knows that U.S. military involvement is not something he favors anywhere on this planet.

            The JBS position has ALWAYS been that we should NOT have military alliances such as NATO, SEATO, or anything involving the United Nations.

            The JBS position regarding Communist countries was that (1) we should withdraw diplomatic recognition from ALL of them and (2) we should isolate them diplomatically and commercially.  

            The JBS position was that if we adopted JBS ideas, the Communist nations would collapse on their own.  And only Western economic and diplomatic support enabled Communist countries to survive and prosper.

            •  JBS changed many public positions (0+ / 0-)

              in the late 1990s.

              But what you see now for "Bircher" Congressmen is not tied to today's rebranding efforts. Get over that.

              The traditional Bircher aims are what you see. Like it was 1969.

              "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

              by bontemps2012 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 05:19:43 PM PST

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              •  Changes in JBS Positions (1+ / 0-)
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                Bontemps:   Since you do not provide any specific details regarding which JBS positions you think have "changed" since the late 1990's, there is no way to appropriately address your comment except for saying this:

                The JBS has NEVER retracted even one statement, assertion, premise, or conclusion since its inception in December 1958.

                Contemporary JBS publications often quote verbatim excerpts from JBS publications which originally were published in the 1960's or later because their positions now are exactly the same as they were decades ago.

                For example:  in 2002 the JBS published a new edition of Robert Welch's infamous manuscript entitled "The Politician" which originally was written in the 1950's.  This is the book-length "private letter" in which Robert Welch described President Eisenhower as "a dedicated conscious agent of the Communist Conspiracy".  

                The back cover of the new 2002 edition tells readers that "The Politician" represents "the bitter, but little known truth" about our postwar history (specifically the Eisenhower years).  

                Furthermore, the closing comment on the back cover is as follows:

                "But most importantly, The Politician exposes that 'conspiracy of gangsters' which even now is setting America's foreign and domestic policy."

                The "conspiracy of gangsters" is put in quotation marks by the JBS because it referred to a specific comment originally made by Welch in 1954 when he described Eisenhower as an enemy of our country who "is either a willing agent, or an integral and important part, of a conspiracy of gangsters determined to rule the world at any cost."

                So the JBS narrative has never changed and, according to the new 2002 edition, that "conspiracy of gangsters" continues to set American foreign and domestic policy.

                And in May 2008, the JBS Bulletin contained this observation:

                “Just as the John Birch Society showed in the 1960's that the communists basically ran both the civil rights movement and the KKK, the strategy was nothing new. The former was used to transfer power to Washington DC in the name of civil rights and the latter provided a pretext for transferring power to Washington. You cannot get a really good conflict started unless you control both sides of the argument.”

                So, once again, the JBS continues to disseminate its delusional views (first published in the 1960's) about our civil rights movement.

                Once again, you have revealed that YOU have NO genuine knowledge about the Birch Society.  Instead, you merely want to circulate whatever fictions conform to your own political preferences.

                This is an example of why the JBS can so easily dismiss and ridicule opponents like yourself -- because you make statements about the JBS which are wholly false or gross exaggerations.

                •  Thanks for making my point. (0+ / 0-)

                  The audience is likely interested in seeing Bircher paranoid delusions presented, not in following every twist of their statements.

                  The web site, today, tries to rebrand with every web page. They simulate sanity, mostly.

                  But the core of what they have attracted, plus the utter paranoid madness, have not changed underneath. They're better at camouflage.

                  They'd like us to think that Welch was not mentally disordered. And that their complaints about America are based on fact instead of delusion.

                  You are offering more proof here.

                  "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

                  by bontemps2012 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 09:31:45 AM PST

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                  •  You STILL Miss The Point (0+ / 0-)

                    There has been no "twist" in JBS statements.

                    What they believe TODAY is exactly what they believed 50+ years ago.

                    So what the hell are you talking about?

                    Your comment above is more gibberish.  It is completely devoid of facts.  Nothing you write makes any sense.

    •  How to cut defense spending? (1+ / 0-)
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      Keep voting for people who understand two things:

      1. The US budget (including the black budget)
      2. The meaning of the word compromise

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