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  •  You'll note I said "vote for a Dem" (0+ / 0-)

    not "vote for Pelosi."

    Wresting the gavel from Boehner's hands, and the balance of power in the House from the Tea Party, is worth giving up a lot.

    When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

    by litho on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 05:10:47 AM PST

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    •  I see a gulf forming between the northeast rethugs (2+ / 0-)
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      and their suthren bruthren.....we watch.

      •  radio program described the schism as being betwee (4+ / 0-)
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        rural Christian GOP focused on social issues vs urban GOP focused on business.  Traditionally their agendas have not clashed but lately their agendas clash more and more, for example in many states, over immigration reform and draconian measures that had economic ripples throughout those states

    •  so you mean if Boehner retires and Cantor runs? (2+ / 0-)
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      so long as Boehner is there, it's a non starter. People don't like cantor, but even there, they'll vote for another R before any D.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 05:19:17 AM PST

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      •  I'm not so certain about that (0+ / 0-)

        Parties can and do split, and if Boehner takes them over the cliff into default -- or even credibly threatens to do it -- I could foresee a GOP split.

        Remember the Barnburners?

        When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

        by litho on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 05:43:13 AM PST

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        •  and nationally the Whigs (1+ / 0-)
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          it took slavery to engender that kind of split. Don't see that happening here.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 05:48:21 AM PST

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          •  Wrong analogy (0+ / 0-)

            More to the point would be the Tea Party going the way of it's 19th Century equivalent, the Know Nothings who, ironically, were a splinter group formed mainly by dissatisfied Whigs.

            Suffice it to say neither party presently polls very strongly.

            Don't ask how or why I know all that.

            What about my Daughter's future?

            by koNko on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 09:12:05 AM PST

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            •  I agree completely (1+ / 0-)
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              this is not the Barnburners or the Whigs. And there won't be a Dem Speaker this year, wither.

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 09:33:23 AM PST

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    •  If the gop voted for Steny Hoyer, it would (4+ / 0-)

      further marginalize the progressive caucus and would make a new center right coalition that excludes Speaker Pelosi.

      The best thing is to be patient, let the gop make utter fools of themselves again, put up some good but moderate Dems in some of the most vulnerable gop districts, and then take the House back.

      We will never really get things moving in our direction until we do that.

      We need a comprehensive energy/climate change bill that will put workers back to work, and stimulate the economy to a level that will start erasing our debt and deficit problems etc.

      We need tax/Wall Street reform that will further fix our revenue/financial problems.

      Until we do these things, the people that want to kill SS and Medicare will be like wolves at the door.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 06:58:38 AM PST

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      •  Can Steny be primaried? (0+ / 0-)

        Do we want to go there?

        If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. John F. Kennedy ( inaugural address, January 20, 1961)

        by Outraged Mom on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 07:46:11 AM PST

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        •  The gop won't do that. Center-right isn't (0+ / 0-)

          good enough for the tea party. If they did that it would mean the end of the gop, basically.  Hoyer probably wouldn't go for it either, but he's the most likely center right Dem who could get some gop-ers to vote for him . It's possible to have a 3 way dysfunctional House as well, the left and right combine to nix any centrist legislation, and no left or right legislation would pass either.
          It's Boehner until 2014, then it will be Pelosi again, if she wants it. That's my guess.
          What we want to do, I think, is keep working to blow up the gop.

          You can't make this stuff up.

          by David54 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 11:16:55 AM PST

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