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  •  My rights are being shot up by your rights (10+ / 0-)

    Let's get a "well regulated militia" going if we are going to rely upon the Second Amendment as a justification for owning large capacity clips and assault weapons .

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 10:03:49 AM PST

    •  The Militia (1+ / 0-)
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      The Constitution and the Bill of Rights is a document created during a different era.  I wish there was CSpan to cover the discussions on the 2nd Amendment during those times.  

      In regards to the "Militia", my educated guess is that its most equivalent to the National Guard in modern times.  Back in those days, they had the Army and the militia.  Today, we have the regular military and the Reserve/National Guard forces.  I do believe in a strong National Guard and, therefore, think they should be kept right here in America instead of being sent to Afghanistan or other places.  I believe they should be responding to our civil emergencies which seem to be growing more common.

      •  The National Guard... (1+ / 0-)
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        Is nothing but another wing of the Army Reserve. It is activated far too often and sent outside the nation for anyone to pretend that it is a militia.

        Personally I would like to see the the standing military disbanded. Scuttle our Navy, keep only those defensive weapons and only in a capacity that they can be used to defend rather than attack others. Maybe reduce the army to a training corps of about 10,000 officers.

        After all, if guns are dangerous then they are most dangerous in the hands of the military. Say what you will about gun owners, but we're not murdering people throughout Waziristan with drone bombs.

      •  why not go to the source, michaelnodav? Look at (0+ / 0-)

        what the 2d Continental Congress MANDATED in the way of arms:

        http://www.politifact.com/...

        to wit, a state-of-the-art privately-owned, not-to-be-sold or confiscated (even for taxes!) firearm with spares and ammunition:
        http://memory.loc.gov/...

        Not only did Congress put this in writing, when some members challenged the law as "too onerous," guess what happened??
        From Politicfact, linked above:

        There was no roll call for the House and Senate bills requiring health care for seamen. But on the proposal mandating the purchase of musket, firelock or rifle as part of the larger bill to establish a uniform militia, 10 of the 14 framers whose votes were recorded endorsed the measure.

        One side note: In November 1792, an attempt was made in the House to reconsider the weapon requirement in the militia bill because some people were complaining that it was too onerous, an argument that echoes complaints from critics of the new health-care law. The proposal was defeated 6 to 50. The vote among framers was 1 to 6.

        It should also be noted that the president who signed the first two of these laws was our Founding Father-in-Chief, George Washington.

        Oh, and before the fight breaks out: "uniform militia" meant a militia with similar arms and capability among all its members, not a professional, uniform-clad military force.

        LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

        by BlackSheep1 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 03:28:40 PM PST

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    •  That's the key. Also, if guns don't kill (3+ / 0-)

      To me, it's insane that we even have to debate this.

      It's insane that we ever got to the point where 300 million guns are in circulation. That's just pure madness. To make it even worse, we have special rights set aside for deadly pieces of metal, but zero rights to safe food, clean water, shelter, clothes, health care and education. As in, the necessities of life.

      What a truly backwater nation America is still, even in 2013.

    •  I'd be for that, crystal eyes (0+ / 0-)

      I think a monthly or even weekly training session, especially if the gov't paid for the range fees and bullets, would be very popular.

      LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

      by BlackSheep1 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 03:22:09 PM PST

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