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  •  As a recovering Catholic, (7+ / 0-)

    may I suggest that you re-read Atana's post.  Those of us in recovery miss the Church -- the rituals, and keep many rituals at home.

    But I will only step foot in a Catholic Church again for funerals, baptisms, and weddings -- to keep extended family members happy.

    And yes, my ten-year-old and I the last three years have taken a great interest in the Pagan connections to holidays as a way to create meaning.  We will always apply Jesus' teachings toward making good decisions, and in a crisis we will always call on Mary.  But my daughter understands as well as I do what is wrong with the Catholic Church, and have thus soured on all religious institutions.

    "Since when did obeying corporate power become patriotic." Going the Distance

    by Going the Distance on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 04:18:21 PM PST

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    •  my daughter and I are with you two (4+ / 0-)

      she is 15 and has begun college searching. She looked at the list in Princeton review of "most religious" schools and immediately marked them off her list. Any school listing "leans right" or "not LGBT friendly" is marked off as well (she's not a lesbian, but knows any campus that isn't LGBT friendly is too conservative). The only problem she's had not having a "Christian" education is in literary analysis. There's a lot of Biblical reference in early American literature, which she is studying right now. In Alabama, it is assumed that everyone knows the Bible. What ever happened to WWJD? That was a REAL Christian slogan!

      •  It also makes it difficult to study (3+ / 0-)
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        art history in Europe.  I went to Catholic school so Gothic, Renaissance, Baroque art was a piece of cake.  I instinctively understood the symbolism and knew what the work was about.  The kids that were not steeped in Catholicism or at least some Christianity had a lot more reading and research to do.  One of the few great things about the Church is the legacy of art.  But I cannot support an institution that has hurt so many people.  Lay Catholics tend to be good people though.

        •  I have an MFA in creative riting and (4+ / 0-)
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          English literature .  Did my undergrad at Berkeley, and grad work at Mills College.  What we have here in California for liberal arts majors is a course required called Bible as Literature.  

          I actually ended up teaching that course in a community college a number of years later and wished that all undergrads would have been required to take it.  It was fun to require people who had been taught to interpret the Bible literally to examine it as story telling.

          "Since when did obeying corporate power become patriotic." Going the Distance

          by Going the Distance on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 08:35:29 PM PST

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          •  It is kind of required reading to understand (4+ / 0-)

            a lot of Western culture.  Catholics are not fundamentalist so I also understood the the parable aspect of it.  And of course, Catholics do not spend much time reading or memorizing the Bible, especially the Old Testament.  We know a few stories and the chronological history but most Catholics cannot name a chapter or verse.  We know the Gospel stories  and the epistles from Mass.  It's more important for us to understand what Christ taught than to cite a passage.

      •  Do they offer Bible as Literature? (1+ / 0-)
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        It's a required class for lit folks in the California University system.

        It sound like you two are making good university choices.  I actually had my daughter in Catholic school from kindergarten through second grade.  Our interaction with the families at the school did as much to drive us out as did the overall bad behavior of Church hierarchy.  Too much mean girl syndrome permitted and encouraged by crazed parents.  

        She is now in an International Baccalaureate charter school.  Best decision we ever made.  And ironically, the IB code for learning is probably the most morally centered philosophy I have ever seen in an institution of learning.  The kids at this school are nice -- and due to the IB code they actually peer pressure each other into being tolerant and kind.  In regard partially to WWJD, he would probably prefer kids to be in an IB school over a Catholic school.

        Good luck on the university journey.  

        "Since when did obeying corporate power become patriotic." Going the Distance

        by Going the Distance on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 08:49:06 PM PST

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      •  Oberlin (my alma mater) (1+ / 0-)
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        would love to have her!

        Think left of left of left, on a glacier plain in Northeastern Ohio.  They have Biblical and Methodist roots, but their main religion seems to be deconstructing power sources and living more sustainably.

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