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  •  yes and no (12+ / 0-)

    actually yes to about 99% of what you're saying here, especially:

    It's long past time for the members of the party to fight against this.
    I take exception to "blind followers" though. Yes of course, there's plenty of those out there, heh. But... a few things.

    One, dailykos is not a microcosm of... America's left or even the Dem party. In fact, kossacks on the whole are better informed as we are the political junkies. There are plenty of well informed (if you count MSNBC as a reliable news source) folks here who are what I'd consider centrist Dems. Theyre not blind or namby pamby "followers", rather they are willfully enabling and defending, some of them, the right-ish coup of the Party. Most of them in good faith. They see themselves as "left" because they are to the left of Rand Paul. In that sense, they're correct, but it is a different definition of left than mine. Two (as of this moment) votes in joe's poll for "flaming pie" give some validation to my point here, I think.

    Two, the kind of democracy that I believe in requires an informed citizenry, first and foremost. Our country and culture at large, beyond DK or the left blogosphere, is sadly deprived of propaganda free information and analysis. And they don't have the kind of time to ferret out the kinds of news that you so faithfully post every day in What's Happenin', for example. So, many of those folks, yes they are blind perhaps but, more significantly, they are blindED.

    So. Where do we even start?

    Get out there and get peace, think peace, live peace, and breathe peace, and you'll get it as soon as you like.” ~ John Lennon

    by Lady Libertine on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 07:39:30 AM PST

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    •  I would agree (8+ / 0-)

      with your comment in toto.  Categorizing all of the rank and file as blind followers is wrong, though there are plenty of them who are just yellow dog Dems and are not much about issues and are all about the blue team rah.

      And yes, there are a lot of Third Way Democrats on this site and they are just fine with Obama right-wing austerity policies.  This party probably picked up a lot of moderate Republicans over the years as that party went batshit insane.  

      But on the point of the informed electorate.  What I see going on in the Democratic party is a massive effort to deceive the party rank and file, and as many Americans as they can. As the party is driven further and further to the right and as it increasingly forms policies that benefit the 1%, it becomes harder and harder to convince people that they are the party of the people.  This requires enormous efforts in marketing, propaganda and political kabuki.  I think that this party now spends more time scheming about how to deceive the people than they do on crafting the policies themselves.  It takes a lot of effort to do this and the political actors have to carry it out and that part is their responsibility, imho, while the unelected think tanks and lobbyists create the actual legislation.  This is modern day politics, imho, and it's totally f'd up.

      I agree with joe above where he says that the D rank and file need to get a spine because this bogus party of the people will make sure, with their vast sums of bribes campaign money will do their damnedest to make sure that the choices we get are Third Way #1 and Third way #2 almost every time in the primaries too.  So if we become complacent, this party will just keep marching into the arms of the 1% while the sports fans Dems cheer them along, happy simply because the blue team won, paying little attention to what they do after they win and just moving onto the next election cycle immediately afterward, playing the oppo research/cheerleader role all over again.  Do they ever step back and look at the trajectory or at what we have really accomplished (beyond the marketing lists)?

      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 08:36:35 AM PST

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    •  In other words (5+ / 0-)

      party reform seems to be a foreign concept to most Democrats right now.

      I suspect that will change very soon when that Obama idea of shared sacrifice kicks in and as he keeps his promises to the 1% campaign funders and not to the little people who supported him and gave him their votes whom he was elected to represent.

      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 08:38:21 AM PST

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    •  I agree, successful propaganda plays a major (4+ / 0-)

      part in the political direction of a party. Controlling the message is given more attention it seems than the message itself.

      ❧To thine ownself be true

      by Agathena on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 08:54:16 AM PST

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