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  •  Right (12+ / 0-)

    It's a funny game played here. People respond to criticism of Obama's conservative moves by pointing to bad conservative moves by other Democrats, supposing that we'd be shocked to hear that other Democrats did bad shit! You mean FDR wasn't perfect?!. (Like you JS, I became the activist-citizen I am today during and in opposition to Clinton's crappy presidency.)

    In other words, they're eager to criticize former presidents but reluctant to criticize the current occupant of the White House. The logical result, if not the purpose, is the normalization of conservatism, and apathy.

    •  absolutely... (5+ / 0-)

      we are told that all leaders are flawed.  sure, that's a fact of life, but it doesn't mean that we should accept flawed policy. it's one thing to accept a leader's flaws and say that he is not an evil person, it is quite another to accept the bad things that he does as inevitable, unavoidable and irreconcilable.

      i guess i just don't get the attitudes of a lot of the more vociferous supporters of obama.  i thought that we were here to make things better, not to just accept whatever the guy we vote for does.

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 09:11:51 AM PST

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    •  the only occupant that can actually do something (3+ / 0-)
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      now is the one that some do not want to criticize......

      In other words, they're eager to criticize former presidents but reluctant to criticize the current occupant of the White House.

      "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

      by allenjo on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 10:24:54 AM PST

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    •  It's an expansion (3+ / 0-)

      of the lesser of evil school of politics. It's useful to denigrate the former Democratic administrations or the persona's of Democratic  presidents as they were not perfect and therefore this administration and it's executive are implementing the good. LBJ for instance was personally not what I would call particularly nice and his 'foriegn policy' was horrific. His Democratic administration however implemented needed social change. Did this occur because of him personally or was it not because the Democrat's were responding to the pressure of the citizens through sweeping social movements and coalitions that demanded needed change.        

    •  David, David, (0+ / 0-)

      I am merely saying if you set a benchmark, stick to it, the diarist lauds former democrats and  selects quotes that are pretty much the same as standard Obama rhetoric - for the purpose of denigrating the current President by comparison, while not stating that LBJ and JEC did real opposed to this President who, so far, has not damaged SS at all beyond using chained CPI as a Defensive Bet in a hand he expected to win.  

      "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

      by durrati on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 03:15:15 PM PST

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