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  •  Hey, sorry for being rude (4+ / 0-)
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    I'm overly impatient with a scattershot approach. But let's focus on practicalities. It's increasingly impossible for Democrats to win in extremely Republican districts. There may still be a few exceptions, such as in West Virginia, and wherever there are locally still pretty Democratic areas, despite lopsidedly Republican presidential results, or extremely popular and gifted Democratic candidates in open seats, or Republicans who might possibly be vulnerable to defeat as a result of scandals or extremism that has made them extremely unpopular locally, such opportunities should be pursued. That's what I think Governor Dean's 50-state approach consisted of. But wasting effort and money in completely hopeless situations is just extremely counterproductive. How many more districts might Democrats have won in in 2012 if less money had gone where it wasn't needed, such as to the campaign committee of multi-millionaire Alan Grayson or - yes - the opponent of Michelle Bachmann, who had a chance, but not nearly as much of one as Nate Shinagawa - and if you're saying "Who?!", I've made my point.

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    by MichaelNY on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 10:30:56 AM PST

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    •  I contributed to races outside of AZ in 2012 (0+ / 0-)

      simply because I felt candidates like Elizabeth Warren had a better shot than, for example, Richard Carmona, and I had a very limited budget.  However, I think completely writing off a district like AZ's 4th is a mistake, particularly if the decision to abandon the fight is made by a group of people who don't even live here.  Progressives in AZ work our asses off for liberal causes, yet we're repeatedly made to feel as though we're not worth the effort.  I was not, nor would I ever suggest "wasting money" on poor candidates.  We've done enough of that in recent years.

      •  I live in New York (1+ / 0-)
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        and I contributed to Richard Carmona and not Elizabeth Warren. That's how we're different. Warren had so much money, she didn't need any more. Carmona, fighting in a state that leans Republican, needed more money to have a fighting chance. He lost in the end, but not by a wide margin, and perhaps he might decide to run for Governor. If he does, I hope you'll support him, should he make it to the general election. By the way, I also sent money to Heidi Heitkamp, who won.

        I would suggest to you that deciding not to send money to Carmona's campaign is inconsistent with working your ass off to try to defeat a Representative of a ~R+16 district. There are plenty of other things a liberal can do in any state, including yours, that are more likely to be fruitful, and I don't think the fact that I don't live in your state somehow stunts my reasoning power. You have neither unlimited money nor unlimited time. It makes lots of sense to invest both wisely, and not in hopeless causes.

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        by MichaelNY on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 02:03:44 PM PST

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        •  I voted for Carmona, who is a multi millionaire. (0+ / 0-)

          I reserve the right to form my own opinions of candidates, and to support whomever I please. And I apologize to you, as I'm overly sensitive to people who come off as dismissive, and who who use terms like "Nonsense" to denigrate the opinions of others.  Take that to a conservative blog--it probably sells better.  

          •  You were posting something that was demonstrably (1+ / 0-)
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            untrue. Calling it "nonsense" was a little harsh, but it does not help the discussion when people equate writing off R+16 House seats with Obama not being able to win. Obama won no R+16 states in either 2008 or 2012.

            As a social democrat, I don't think I'll take your recommendation that I should post on a conservative blog. Have a great afternoon.

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            by MichaelNY on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 02:42:16 PM PST

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