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  •  sean, interesting, but the discussion is only (0+ / 0-)

    about whether murderers should live or die and the risk to innocents.

    That was the context.

    I don't know of any states that are not currently considering allowing lifers to be subject to early release, based upon cost reductions.

    And lifers have been released and have murdered again, so your claim that this certainly will not happen has been disproven, already.

    You should not invent things. You should research and fact check/

    You are simly unaware.

    My arguments are solid and you did not rebut them.


    My many responses to Radelet were unrebutted by you, because you could not.


    Soley with regard to deterrence, it is unrebutted that all prospects of a negative outcome deter some.

    Truly, the only remaining issue is does the death penalty deter more than life without parole.

    Hugo Adam Bedau, the recently deceased grandfather of modern anti death penalty academics, accepted it as a given that the death penalty deterred some, but that he didn't believe it deterred more than a life sentence.

    As reviewed, the evidence is much stronger that it is an enhanced deterrent over life, than it is not.

    I presented quite a bit of evidence for that, not of which you rebutted.

    •  In all sincerity, thank you for the discussion (0+ / 0-)

      You don't, it appears, understand the distinction between an assertion and evidence, because your "evidence" for enhanced deterrence consistently falls back on a basic link that does not actually appear to exist: that, given the choice between DP and LWOP, prisoners prefer the latter does not directly speak to the deterrence value of either. That's a link that needs to be proved independently. You also invoke a series of false premises and baseless scare tactics (if we don't execute a murderer, that means we must inevitably release him/her to kill again), some of which you didn't even bother trying to link together properly initially.

      I begin to feel that I made a mistake in treating you as a serious participant in a legitimate debate to begin with. I do appreciate your willingness to at least deal in facts and figures, but your misrepresentation and misuse of them is instructive. I've written several lengthy responses to you, on a point-by-point basis, already, and you've clearly selectively ignored vast chunks of them. It's been an interesting discussion, but I see no reason to think anything further can be said or accomplished.

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