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  •  It was NATO/GCC with it's massive air forces, (1+ / 0-)
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    protectspice

    it's billions in funding, tons of armaments and extensive logistical support that allowed for the overthrow of the Libyan regime. They intend to remain in control of Libya's future and ensure it remains in their sphere of influence. Libya will only be allowed a democracy (or government) that the US approves. The US has sufficient economic clout through the World Bank and IMF to ensure compliance.

    It's almost as if the MENA region is now going through the same processes that Latin America did several decades ago.

    In the last analysis, those who claim the Syrian revolution is not a popular revolution are acting as the agents of imperialism, by denying the only active anti-imperialist agency capable of defeating imperialism, which is the popular, democratic revolution and its potential to become a socialist revolution.
    The entire Arab Spring has been a socialist revolution that as been compromised by both the Islamists and the forces of imperial global capitalism. I think of it as OWS on steroids.
    •  Where are the Libyan people in your account? (1+ / 0-)
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      Cynical Copper

      If by "allowed for the overthrow" you mean blocked Gaddafi's monopoly of high-tech killing machinery, then fair enough. But the fighting and dying on the ground was the work of the Libyan people, without whom there would have been no revolution. And its they who are taking control of "Libya's future."

      •  The Libyan people are now in the same place as in (0+ / 0-)

        Tunisia and Egypt. Check out those countries.

        blocked Gaddafi's monopoly of high-tech killing machinery, then fair enough
        NATO had higher tech killing machinery that paved the way for the rebels advance by taking out anything that Gaddafi put up. This included pickup trucks, troop concentrations and bombing army barracks. Even the Libyan fighters were trained and led by NATO/GCC.
        Re: [alpha] INSIGHT - LIBYA/MIL/CT - Trainer of Libya rebels on the conflict - LY1000

        SOURCE: LY1000
        ATTRIBUTION: Not for publication
        SOURCE DESCRIPTION: British national who is a military contractor with 25+ years of military / contractor experience / multiple combat experiences that trained rebels in Libya in small arms handling and basic infantry tactics for a private company based out of Britain; was training rebels and listening to colleagues who were in / near the front talk about how things were going.

        Where were you training the rebels?

        Western mountains for 5 weeks (source just got back this past Friday). The rebels received a 1 month training package from us.

        How would you rate the rebels overall?

        Completely lacking discipline - worse than the Afghanis. And these are the special forces operators that we were training.
        The emigre returnees were somewhat better at learning basics of infantry tactics however they were lazy just like the guys who didn't leave Libya for another country. For instance, they didn't want to fight because it was Ramadan. They didn't like training because it was demanding -- weak and low motivation to learn. Very undisciplined and unorganized. As a fighting force they had very limited command and control, lots of friendly fire KIAs. A big gaggle. When we were asking them to decide leaders among themselves, they picked a big lad who was intimidating -- but an idiot. They don't understand that you need a thinker to lead you in battle.

        Do you think that some just joined the rebels cause it seemed they would beat Gaddafi?

        No. They wanted to get rid of him. They were willing to get rid of Gaddafi -- the lot of them wanted to get rid of them. They would have had no chance in hell to defeat Gaddafi without NATO support. Apparently they tried in Bengazi a few years ago and were slaughtered.

        Qatar admits sending hundreds of troops to support Libya rebels

        Qatari chief-of-staff reveals extent of involvment, saying troops were responsible for training, communications and strategy

        Qatar has admitted for the first time that it sent hundreds of troops to support the Libyan rebels who overthrew Muammar Gaddafi's regime.
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        The Qatari chief-of-staff, Major-General Hamad bin Ali al-Atiya, said: "We were among them and the numbers of Qataris on the ground were hundreds in every region. Training and communications had been in Qatari hands. Qatar … supervised the rebels' plans because they are civilians and did not have enough military experience," AFP quoted him as saying. "We acted as the link between the rebels and Nato forces."
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        Qatari special forces are reported to have provided infantry training to Libyan fighters in the western Nafusa mountains and in eastern Libya. Qatar's military even brought Libyan rebels back to Doha for exercises. And in the final assault on Gaddafi's Bab al-Aziziya compound in Tripoli in late August, Qatari special forces were seen on the frontline. Qatar also gave $400m to the rebels, helped them export oil from Benghazi and set up a TV station in Doha.
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        Libyan rebels 'receive foreign training'
        Rebel source tells Al Jazeera about training offered by US and Egyptian special forces in eastern Libya.
        Foreign forces in Libya helping rebel forces advance

        Overall, the special forces have helped rebels "improve their tactics," the official said.

        The forces have also provided targeting information to warplanes conducting airstrikes and conducting reconnaissance missions in Tripoli, he said. This has been especially critical in recent days in the capital, as fighters from both sides have mixed together in close range. The forces have also assisted rebels in communications as they conducted the assault on the capital.

        Qatari and French forces also have provided some armaments, the official said.

        Mounting evidence of CIA ties to Libyan rebels

        Numerous press reports over the weekend add to the evidence that the Libyan rebels fighting the regime of Muammar Gaddafi are under the direction of American intelligence agencies. Despite the repeated claims by Obama administration officials that the rebels are a largely unknown quantity, it is becoming increasingly clear that key military leaders of the anti-Gaddafi campaign are well known to the US government and have longstanding relations with the CIA.
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        The Jamestown Foundation report declared: “Today as Colonel Haftar finally returns to the battlefields of North Africa with the objective of toppling Gaddafi, his former co-conspirator from Libya’s 1969 coup, he may stand as the best liaison for the United States and allied NATO forces in dealing with Libya’s unruly rebels.”

        The Jamestown study noted Haftar’s role in organizing the Libyan National Army (LNA), which he founded “on June 21, 1988 with strong backing from the Central Intelligence Agency,” and cites a 1991 interview with him “conducted in an LNA camp in rural Virginia.” Not only did the CIA sponsor and fund the LNA, it engineered the entry of LNA officers and men into the United States where they established a training camp.
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        But the fighting and dying on the ground was the work of the Libyan people, without whom there would have been no revolution. And its they who are taking control of "Libya's future."
        You can look forward to more strife within Libya. Qaddafi's forces are being reconstituted and the militias may not like this turn of events. They have been in control since Qaddafi's overthrow. The guys they fought against will replace them. These reconstituted forces will be trained and armed by NATO/GCC member countries.
        Defence Ministry orders troops to rejoin units

        Tripoli, 6 January:

        The Ministry of Defence today issued a statement ordering military personnel of all ranks to rejoin their units immediately, Libyan news agency LANA reported.

        In the statement, the ministry called on all soldiers, sailors and airmen to join their units across the country, apparently in response to the persistent problem of absenteeism in the security services

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