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  •  Sorry, but we won't see eye to eye on this (4+ / 0-)
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    seancdaug, a2nite, mindara, lyvwyr101

    State budgets are not so large that $100 million per year will not make a difference. $100 million per year buys a lot of books. It buys a lot of food. It buys new schools. It buys a lot of good teachers.

    Especially when it's being spent on something that provides little demonstrable return.

    "I believe that, as long as there is plenty, poverty is evil." ~Bobby Kennedy

    by Grizzard on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 11:45:51 AM PST

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    •  I agree with you (1+ / 0-)
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      My point is that I welcome the conversation. I oppose the death penalty on moral grounds in all cases (as a Quaker).

      But the cost issue is to my mind a red herring, and not one that is at all compelling to further the cause of abolition.

      If life imprisonment were somehow five times as expensive as execution, I would still oppose the death penalty. Administering justice is something where cost is a secondary concern at the least, so the discussion about how many teachers/books/liberal programs could be bought with the money is tangential at best.

    •  not housing people for life (0+ / 0-)

      buys books too

      Out of my cold dead hands

      by bluelaser2 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 01:16:25 PM PST

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      •  "La, la, la! I can't hear you!" (1+ / 0-)
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        lyvwyr101

        Pretending that no one has told you, repeatedly, that execution is invariably and inevitably more expensive than life imprisonment doesn't change the fact that it's true, you know?

        •  "la la la I'm ignoring what you've written" (0+ / 0-)

          Is more like it.

          I've been clear in accepting that it costs more, my point, pretty clearly written is:

          The diarist's point is that questions of cost are not fundamental to the moral question, and on that point, I agree wholeheartedly.

          Whether it is cheaper or more expensive is irrelevant when we are dealing with the moral questions of justice and taking human life.

          If the death penalty were cheaper to administer than life sentences, that would not be a compelling argument for its use.

          But continue to mischaracterize and ignore others' arguments if it helps you feel morally superior.

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