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  •  if the system were correct (0+ / 0-)

    the chances would be vanishingly low.

    surgeons kill people by mistake every day.  they keep going anyway....

    Out of my cold dead hands

    by bluelaser2 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 01:44:16 PM PST

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    •  How do you support that claim? (1+ / 0-)
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      "Vanishingly low"? Based on what reasoning? Because you certainly haven't provided anything other than a vague promise to "drive" towards perfection. And that's a fairly empty promise when, as has been revealed in numerous comments so far, you don't even seem to understand the system as it exists. Which is true, at least, if you seriously think that apply the death penalty only in really bad cases is a substantive reform proposal.

      •  can you read? (0+ / 0-)

        substantive reform proposal:

        - federalize all capital cases and remove capital cases from the states

        - narrow the standing rules for those cases to fitting cases

        - create a trained and more efficient process to handle the cases  

        result: lower cost, removed incentives toward local perversion of justice= vanishingly small screw-ups

        Out of my cold dead hands

        by bluelaser2 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 03:34:55 PM PST

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        •  Really? Beacuse the feds never make mistakes and (0+ / 0-)

          you still have good old Anton Scalia on the SC with his lovely ruling that proof of innocence is not cause enough to overturn a death penalty conviction...not even to afford the accused a new trial. Based on actual innocence! What's your "Federal" solution for that?

          "On this train, dreams will not be thwarted, on this train faith will be rewarded" The Boss

          by mindara on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 03:55:42 PM PST

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          •  so "no proposal" (0+ / 0-)

            becomes, "your proposal sucks"

            progress !

            Out of my cold dead hands

            by bluelaser2 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 05:54:32 PM PST

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            •  "Create a more efficient process" isn't a proposal (1+ / 0-)
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              Neither is "narrow the standing rules." Those are statements of intents. Describe what your actual proposals are, and there might be a discussion to be had here. How will your narrow the standing rules in such a way that is different from the status quo? What will you do to improve efficiency? You can't just will an outcome into existence.

            •  Way to avoid the Supreme Court question I posed... (0+ / 0-)

              The feds are human too...they make mistakes and the SC is the last option for those who have been wrongly convicted and their current stance that actual proof of innocence is not enough to overturn a death penalty conviction is something that cannot be ignored if you are going to defend and advocate for the death penalty. Do you not get the fact that INNOCENT people have been executed?? And as long as human beings are involved in the process of investigating and prosecuting other human beings mistakes will be made. How anyone can find that is an acceptable risk when it comes to taking the life of another human being is beyond me.

              "On this train, dreams will not be thwarted, on this train faith will be rewarded" The Boss

              by mindara on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 09:57:00 PM PST

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