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  •  Understand that there are organized trolls (11+ / 0-)

    whose purpose is to rid left-leaning blogs of their better members.

    They've been here before and they're back once again.

    The evidence is that good people are leaving again. The evidence is in the keywords and their behavior. The evidence is that they follow one another and attack as a gang. The evidence is that some of these people are operating under different monikers that I've tracked down to the very same organizations and the same people who have been banned in past purges. Some more than once. They really aren't as clever as they think.

    Remember the earlier Obama sux/rox poison that caused several long-time high profile leading DKos contributors to leave? The whole autoban thing was revamped and manual banning and review was renewed.

    Remember the sudden and intense effort to promote third party candidates? Another purge. It was the same organizations and many of the same people operating as sock puppets and stealth trolls. I found two of them that were paid trolls.

    Remember the last round of the "caver in chief" nonsense? Another purge. Except the "cavers" are back. I've identified one who was doing this before. He/she's baaaack.

    This shit isn't new and it isn't limited to DKos. Those semi-literate fools are coached and organized by rabid anti-progressive organizations. They are so dumb as to recruit operatives through on-line appeals. And they brag about their exploits on their favorite right wing blogs. Want to earn money by working at home? Want to help the rabid right wing causes? Want to spread the anti-choice gospel among the heathen leftists? Do the work of God?

    If you understand that this is going on with most successful blog sites, and Daily Kos is VERY successful and the winger's worst nightmare, you can calm down a bit.

    There's been speculation about that sudden large increase in new users prior to the election. I think we now know what they're up to.

    I agree that the ship is leaking. It's time for some repairs and maintenance.

    Purge the trolls.

    Haul out those old SQL queries we talked about the last time this happened, Markos. You'll find only a handful of trolls that need to be purged. The angst will be diminished just as it was the last time.

    And fewer good people will be intimidated and want to leave.

    "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

    by GrumpyOldGeek on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 03:51:50 PM PST

    •  Interesting if true (3+ / 0-)
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      but until some evidence is provided, and you're willing to name names, this is little more than fantasy CT.

      Yet it is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set... -- Gandalf

      by dnta on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 04:41:12 PM PST

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      •  Jane Hamsher (0+ / 0-)

        Start there and search the word "cave". She practically invented the meme.

        Match the comments and the super secret strategies to crush DKos to recruit the gullible to help build their fantasy 3rd party.

        Then compare the comments and suggestions. You'll find cut/paste identical words.

        Not going to out the names of people on DKos, but several of them are really easy to identify.

        The Google machine is your friend.

        It's a real conspiracy, clearly articulated, and has been in process for years. It's not working, of course, but they haven't stopped trying.

        There are about a dozen other organizations doing this stuff, too.

        DKos is a real threat to a lot of wannabe rebels.

        "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

        by GrumpyOldGeek on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 04:53:43 PM PST

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        •  Again, if true, you should document (4+ / 0-)
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          I'm not going to go to all that trouble, and why shouldn't you put up the evidence along with the accusations?  If you're not confident in being able to prove your case, and are worried about criticism or banning, then you shouldn't make the claims at all.  If you're sure of yourself, and can back it up, you should do so, and you'd probably find a lot of supporters.

          Just tossing this out there, expecting people to believe your say-so, is no better than any other arbitrary CT.

          Yet it is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set... -- Gandalf

          by dnta on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 04:57:34 PM PST

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          •  Just use the Google machine as I suggested (1+ / 0-)
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            blukat

            You will find more documentation than anyone can digest.

            But that's too much trouble for you.

            So I'm somehow not confident and afraid and unsure of myself because I didn't do this for you? And that is somehow evidence that this is CT? Yeah, that'll make me cry.

            The FDL rhetoric has been discussed here ad nauseum.

            FDL started a 527 group called New Progressive Alliance (NPA). You might consider looking at their published agenda. They literally solicited funds at one time and paid members to disrupt blogs and sites that were against their misguided agenda, the plan to primary President Obama in 2012. I personally exposed two of their paid trolls who were actively disrupting DKos back in 2011. The banhammer came down really hard that time. Yeah, I have no confidence and I'm afraid. Sure. Try again.

            The bottom line is that FDL and several other factions (Paulites, Libertarians, anyone?) aren't here to promote more and better Democrats. And they aren't nice about it. So these organized clever plans to divide and conquer are easy to spot when they start happening.

            Like Dave Barry would say, "I'm not making this up.".

            "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

            by GrumpyOldGeek on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 06:58:17 PM PST

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        •  kindly provide this comparison... (1+ / 0-)
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          or retract. n/t

          •  Kindly reveal exactly where you land in Kuwait (0+ / 0-)

            so the cameras and lights can be there to broadcast the event to the world.

            It's not that this hasn't happened before.

            I spent many hours tracking down a couple of real paid trolls back in 2011. I provided plenty of evidence and provided my methodology to Kos and the staff. They picked up the ball and devised a way to automate this process. They found and banned a half dozen trolls. Kos wouldn't do that without solid evidence to back him up.

            I'm simply suggesting that they run through this automated process again.

            And no, I'm not going to provide a list of suspected active trolls here nor reveal the details of the methods I used. I only provided my technique and suggested a way to automate the process which the  DKos experts have surely enhanced.

            "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

            by GrumpyOldGeek on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 07:59:53 PM PST

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            •  fine... (1+ / 0-)
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              And no, I'm not going to provide a list of suspected active trolls here nor reveal the details of the methods I used.
              Well, you should be talking to elfling then, not posting vague stuff in this thread.
            •  Uh...dude? Did you seriously just equate (0+ / 0-)

              yourself with a President landing in a high risk area?

              "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

              by JesseCW on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 01:58:31 AM PST

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              •  Myself? (0+ / 0-)

                How about a TV reporter asking General Colin Powell to tell them exactly where and when the US military was going to enter Kuwait to repel Saddam Hussein's military forces who had invaded Kuwait. The reporters wanted to have their cameras ready to broadcast the secret directly to the Iraqi forces. Duh.

                Yeah, that really happened. I spelled it out just so you'll know what I'm talking about.

                I'm not about to identify any trolls and I'm not going to let them know how they were identified.

                How the hell do you come up with the thought of comparing myself to the president?

                "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

                by GrumpyOldGeek on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 02:49:14 AM PST

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        •  Yeah. Like "the" and "and" and "pistachio". (2+ / 0-)
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          slinkerwink, bobswern

          All kinds of words found in comments at Firedoglake are also found in comments here.

          sigh

          "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

          by JesseCW on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 06:36:35 PM PST

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    •  I think this is nonsense. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      JesseCW, bobswern

      You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

      by Rich in PA on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 04:49:10 PM PST

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    •  Very similar to what I posted on Wednesday (2+ / 0-)
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      GrumpyOldGeek, kalmoth

      Here's that comment:

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men. -Abraham Lincoln

      by Eyesbright on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 05:28:05 PM PST

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    •  I agree and have said as much. (2+ / 0-)
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      GrumpyOldGeek, kalmoth

      There are agitators and they poison the well.  Beats me why some of them are so highly "respected".

      20 innocent children were slaughtered. The gun lobby and NRA bear responsibility and it is time to fight back! http://www.csgv.org/index.php

      by the dogs sockpuppet on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 05:44:31 PM PST

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      •  That would be because (5+ / 0-)

        a lot of folks disagree on who the 'agitators' onsite are...And has been pointed out before, agitators don't have to only work one side of a pie war.  It's easy enough for them to take either 'side' of a given argument, and just pour fuel on the fire.  They don't have to push either RW or LW ideas, just ratchet up the anger.

        •  The purpose of trolling (2+ / 0-)
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          just ratchet up the anger
          I'm only adding the fact that organized trolling is a real activity. Disrupt, piss off the good guys so they leave out of disgust, and recruit the gullible to their agenda. Primary Obama. Caver in Chief. Must haveThird Party. Anarchy!

          The organized efforts show up during the slack time after their candidates and their agenda gets crushed after an election. The purpose is the old divide and conquer method that they believe will strengthen their agenda. They're ramping up for the next primary elections.

          The Paulites are especially good at building their base. They need to bash their competition to get people to chose anything but the mainstream party candidates. Two words: Jesse Ventura.

          There might be less than a half dozen agitators from outside organizations here, but that's more than enough to do some really nasty agitation and get some good people to bail out. And this is happening again.

          The childish name-calling doesn't reach their level of venom. There's always going to be some sux/rox shit going on. Kos doesn't tolerate this very well.

          It's time to weed out the worst of the offenders. The ones that keep hammering away in pie fights. The ones that start pie fights. The ones that show up as a group and pour that fuel on the fire.

          "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

          by GrumpyOldGeek on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 08:21:58 PM PST

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      •  Outside Agitators!!! That's the problem! (1+ / 0-)
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        Free Jazz at High Noon

        Please, please leave room in this world for farce.

        "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

        by JesseCW on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 06:38:37 PM PST

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