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  •  I don't support longer school days or school years (13+ / 0-)

    I always benefited from having summer vacation, and when I was in high school, I completed my requirements early and was able to leave school at 2 o'clock every day in my junior and senior years. It doesn't seem to have done me harm, as I was Valedictorian in high school and graduated from college Summa Cum Laude.

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    by MichaelNY on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 07:19:07 AM PST

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    •  Yes (5+ / 0-)

      But all the research suggests that longer school days and years results in better educational achievement.

      Besides, this is probably too policy oriented a discussion so... :P

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      by wwmiv on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 07:45:43 AM PST

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    •  The idea is: (4+ / 0-)
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      To help poor students achieve more by depending less on their parents to help them outside of school.
      There have been some studies suggesting that educational achievement gaps expand over summer breaks because the middle to upper class students do activities during breaks that are more intellectually stimulating than sitting at home watching lots of television. Yes, it is paternalistic; it may be helpful for some students though.
      There are, of course, downsides as well. It's important that the extra time be made useful, and to not treat it as just extended babysitting.

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      by childers moof on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 07:51:27 AM PST

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      •  Do poor kids just watch TV? ... (2+ / 0-)
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        There have been some studies suggesting that educational achievement gaps expand over summer breaks because the middle to upper class students do activities during breaks that are more intellectually stimulating than sitting at home watching lots of television.

        or is it just that they don't get the breaks rich kids get?  If I'm poor .. I can't afford an internship(say .. at The Nation) at a lot of places .. especially once that don't pay .. or pay very little .. while rich kids can afford to take non-paying internships

    •  But your story undermines your position (5+ / 0-)

      It didn't do you any harm because you were naturally talented, so nothing any different was needed, it always came easy.

      It always came easy for me, too, as a kid, even though myself I grew up in a broken home with subpar parenting.  I was lucky enough to have the right genes that made it easy to succeed academically.

      The purposes of reforms, whether they are good policy or not, are to produce greater academic success for kids for whom success comes hard, not easy.

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      by DCCyclone on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 10:14:35 AM PST

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      •  I get that (1+ / 0-)
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        I wouldn't say things always came that easy for me; I worked very hard but definitely benefited by having highly educated parents and an older brother who also was (and is) very smart - and maybe especially, by a drive to excel. But I think kids need time to recharge, and families and teachers need time off, too. I could propose alternate structures for the school year, but that's policy, so I bow out here.

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        by MichaelNY on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 10:39:19 AM PST

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        •  time off (2+ / 0-)
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          Three months is too much to take off. Kids just forget a lot of stuff over the summer. Instead of a big block in the summer, they should space three-week breaks throughout the year.

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          by sacman701 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 11:20:42 AM PST

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          •  Sort of what I was thinking (1+ / 0-)
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            Where is it 3 months, though? In New York, it was always from July 1 to the day after Labor Day, ergo just a shade over 2 months.

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            by MichaelNY on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 11:34:19 AM PST

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            •  In Oregon it's from about a week into June until (2+ / 0-)
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              the first week of September.

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              by James Allen on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 11:40:28 AM PST

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            •  It was 3 months when I was a kid, but... (1+ / 0-)
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              ...now that I have a daughter in elementary school, I've learned in Fairfax County these days it's about 2-and-one-half months, basically mid-June through Labor Day without school.

              When I was a kid in Iowa in the 70s and 80s, school ended before Memorial Day, but started in late August, and it was a full three months.

              I have no idea if these differences reflect national trends in my younger adulthood, or just local quirks.

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              by DCCyclone on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 01:20:09 PM PST

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              •  In NY (1+ / 0-)
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                It was always mid/late June ending and then starting the Wednesday after Labor Day.

                I'm shocked other places had more time off.  3 consecutive months in summer is too much.  

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                by rdw72777 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 01:27:33 PM PST

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                •  Public school in New York City (0+ / 0-)

                  always ended on June 30 (unless that was a weekend). I remember that from high school. We had nothing at all to do on that day, but we were required to attend, anyway. Only when I was in private school did I get out in mid June.

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                  by MichaelNY on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 01:48:27 PM PST

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                  •  You didn't have field day (1+ / 0-)
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                    We had a day of literally all outdoor activities called "Field Day" like it was the Olympics.  Quite a fun day of "school" even if I was the most out of shape unathletic kid out there.

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                    by rdw72777 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 01:53:26 PM PST

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                    •  I had that in private school (1+ / 0-)
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                      I don't remember whether I had that in public elementary school because my last year of public elementary school was 2nd grade. We did get taken to the sprinklers in the park often in June when it was really hot. I didn't go back to public school until high school, unless you include two years in Malaysia, where we did have field day every semester. In high school, we definitely had no field day because High School of Performing Arts had no gym and no phys ed classes.

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                      by MichaelNY on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 02:17:30 PM PST

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                    •  We had that in elementary school too (1+ / 0-)
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                      Both in South Carolina and Indiana.

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                      by HoosierD42 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:11:58 AM PST

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                •  It could be ag-related (0+ / 0-)

                  Iowa is the ultimate farm state, and while I'm just guessing, it wouldn't surprise me if farmers' labor needs dictated the school year generations back when much more of the population was tied to farms.  And then it just stuck.

                  I don't think it was "too much" of a break.  Iowa schoolchildren have always done as well academically as any.  So nothing was lost.

                  44, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and 2 boys, Democrat, VA-10

                  by DCCyclone on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 05:30:50 PM PST

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