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  •  Technically they're white, but (4+ / 0-)

    Heavily Orthodox Jewish areas like Borough Park in Brooklyn vote like 8-1 or 9-1 Romney.

    I would imagine though that if you limited South Florida to just Cubans and excluded other Hispanic groups like Dominicans and Venezuelans, you'll find they still voted very heavily Republican.

    NC-06/NC-04; -9.12, -8.62; Yellow Dog Democrat

    by sawolf on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:11:32 AM PST

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    •  Interesting thing about the Cuban community (3+ / 0-)

      They nearly all identify as white, (as opposed to "some other race" that is often preferred by other hispanics).  The whitest city over 100,000 in American, according to the US Census, is actually Hialeah, FL, which is 92.6% white and 94.7% hispanic.

    •  Technically they're white (0+ / 0-)

      By 21st century American standards. They weren't always considered such. Remember folks, race is a social construct that changes over time.

      •  Incredibly lame put time (1+ / 0-)
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        sapelcovits

        The definition of race isn't...

        Black and white.

        •  Actually yes (1+ / 0-)
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          In the American construct it pretty much is, though with additional extra (more minor) categories.

          Ethnicity is a distinct concept which covers what Hattam calls "a different kind of difference" in her most recent text In the Shadow of Race: Jews, Latinos, and Immigrant Politics in the United States, although there is considerable literature that examines the possibility that Latinos are in a process of either race-ing themselves of being race-d by the Anglo majority.

          Basically, there's the black-white dynamic, with some smaller racial dynamics as well (Asians and also Native Americans, basically), but juxtaposed on top of that is the difference that exists between Jews and Latinos and the Anglo Whites (despite both Jews and Latinos being "racially" white). This is where we get the "different kind of difference".

          23 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

          by wwmiv on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 07:24:04 PM PST

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          •  I love how wwmiv made that an academic discussion. (0+ / 0-)
          •  The point was more (1+ / 0-)
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            About the modern American construction of race not being the only one. Southern Europeans didn't used to be considered white, and the they DO have a darker skin tone.

            Also, I'd argue that while the census classifies most Hispanics as white, sociologically we consider them a separate race right now.

            •  Yes... That's what I said. (2+ / 0-)
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              However, Hattam goes into detail about how the construction of race changed during the 1880s because of Jewish academia. As this change occurred, all of these formerly non-white groups became white (Italians, Irish, Greeks, Spaniards, etc.), but there was still a form of difference: ethnicity. It was a cultural difference, instead of simply a skin tone difference.

              Hispanics up until about the 1960s really did consider themselves white. It was here, with Cesar Chavez and the sudden beginnings of massive immigration and reactionary tendencies that had always been beneath the surface (but hadn't bubbled up since the previous waves of mass migration from Europe) that Latinos began to race themselves and be race-d by Anglos within the context of American politics.

              Most non-American Latinos still consider themselves white.

              23 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

              by wwmiv on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 10:22:38 PM PST

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              •  While the 1960s and Ceasar Chavez (1+ / 0-)
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                Played a role in the development of Hispanic racialization, it wasn't the start of it. While what they've considered themselves has varied, Hispanics in America have never been considered whiter than Spanish by (who were considered non-white for a while along with other southern Europeans) by Anglos in America. Furthermore, they faced additional anti Native American bias in the early 20th century due to many of them having native blood. Hispanics have never really been clearly white sociologically in America, although obviously the situation is different than with African Americans.

              •  Many non-US Latinos (0+ / 0-)

                consider themselves Mestizos or Mulatos.

                Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

                by MichaelNY on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 10:46:01 PM PST

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