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  •  Except (0+ / 0-)

    You're not dealing with reality.  The Senate that he signed into law has only been in office for 9 days.  His first 2 years were with the old map because...well you know why that is.  

    So you've made up your mind based on:
    1.  the first 2 years of his term more progressive accomplishments than any other sitting Dem Guv had in their first 2 years
    2.  you seem to feel he was elected to be a liberal firebrand, when he neither marketed himself as such nor has ever been thought of as such
    3.  the GOP controlled-Senate you blame him for in the first 2 years of his term (which just as a reminder, were pretty f'ing progressive) was actually elected under a map he didn't draw because it was from the 2000's

    Think about your own position.  Why are you holding  Cuomo responsible for the NY State Senate from 2011-2012 elected under a previous map?  Why do you dismiss his accomplishments with a GOP controlled Senate from 2011-12?  Why are you damning his agenda due to a GOP Senate that's only been in place for 9 days?  Why do you think Cuomo should be more liberal than he's portrayed himself during campaigns?

    The lack of logic to this way of thinking is just bizarre.  If you had 45 democratic Senators in the last 9 days, what would have been different?    

    You'd need probably 40 Dem Senators to have Dem control and permanently elminate the IDC's impact, and then you'd have top assume that somehow the eternal upstate vs. donstate divide didn't exist on certain issues (i.e. gun control).

    "What if you're on a game show one day and the name of some random New Jersey state senator is the only thing between you and several thousand dollars? And you'll think to yourself, "if only I had clapped faster." - sapelcovits

    by rdw72777 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 02:06:40 PM PST

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    •  I blame him (7+ / 0-)

      for his attitude toward Republicans controlling this Senate. Why you think that's unreasonable, I can't imagine, since his support for Republican control has been well documented.

      Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

      by MichaelNY on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 02:19:55 PM PST

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      •  What do you mean blame him (0+ / 0-)

        He gets what he needs from them.  He's not a liberal, and he's never tried to be.  A Democratic Senate wouldn't change that, so I'm not sure why people get hung up on that.

        None of his campaign or State of the State speeeches have him being some liberal firebrand.  And considering the general douchiness of a about 1/3 fo the Dem Senators, he'd probably get more out of working with the GOP anyways.  

        "What if you're on a game show one day and the name of some random New Jersey state senator is the only thing between you and several thousand dollars? And you'll think to yourself, "if only I had clapped faster." - sapelcovits

        by rdw72777 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 02:34:03 PM PST

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        •  Are you saying he'd veto (3+ / 0-)
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          liberal legislation if a Democratic-controlled Senate passed it? And I blame him because he may not be a liberal, but he's a Democrat, and favoring Republican control of the Senate over Democratic control makes you not much of a Democrat.

          Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

          by MichaelNY on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 02:45:25 PM PST

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          •  Nope (1+ / 0-)
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            But then again the Senate, even when under Dem control for a short time wasn't putting forth huge liberal agenda items anyways.  They are a corrupt body no matter who is in charge.  

            I mean everyone talks about minimum wage passing easily even with the GOP in charge...why hasnt a Dem or IDC member pushed this hard previously, especially from 2008-10.  

            It seems like it's either Cuomo or Silver every time.

            "What if you're on a game show one day and the name of some random New Jersey state senator is the only thing between you and several thousand dollars? And you'll think to yourself, "if only I had clapped faster." - sapelcovits

            by rdw72777 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 02:54:44 PM PST

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        •  you just saaid above that you see him (1+ / 0-)
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          as progressive.  Now you say he's not a liberal and he's never tried to be.  Which is it?

          ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

          by James Allen on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 03:20:39 PM PST

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          •  I see him (0+ / 0-)

            As more progressive than most other Dem governors.  But he's not a true progressive.  He's not liberal but has presided over a pretty progressive agenda. But at the end of the day he himself is not a liberal firebrand.

            I can't find anywhere that I said Cuomo is a progressive.  Liberals can oversee moderate agendas and moderates can oversee progressive agendas and so on.  It doesn't change much about who he is; his successes so far are probably more to the left than even he sees himself.

            "What if you're on a game show one day and the name of some random New Jersey state senator is the only thing between you and several thousand dollars? And you'll think to yourself, "if only I had clapped faster." - sapelcovits

            by rdw72777 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 08:57:23 PM PST

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            •  what you said (1+ / 0-)
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              Until someone else can beat him in actually achieving something progressive (and not blaming gridlock or partisanship or some other BS) then I'll continue to see him as progressive.
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              ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

              by James Allen on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 10:16:46 PM PST

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