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  •  The point was more (1+ / 0-)
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    James Allen

    About the modern American construction of race not being the only one. Southern Europeans didn't used to be considered white, and the they DO have a darker skin tone.

    Also, I'd argue that while the census classifies most Hispanics as white, sociologically we consider them a separate race right now.

    •  Yes... That's what I said. (2+ / 0-)
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      BeloitDem, MichaelNY

      However, Hattam goes into detail about how the construction of race changed during the 1880s because of Jewish academia. As this change occurred, all of these formerly non-white groups became white (Italians, Irish, Greeks, Spaniards, etc.), but there was still a form of difference: ethnicity. It was a cultural difference, instead of simply a skin tone difference.

      Hispanics up until about the 1960s really did consider themselves white. It was here, with Cesar Chavez and the sudden beginnings of massive immigration and reactionary tendencies that had always been beneath the surface (but hadn't bubbled up since the previous waves of mass migration from Europe) that Latinos began to race themselves and be race-d by Anglos within the context of American politics.

      Most non-American Latinos still consider themselves white.

      23 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

      by wwmiv on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 10:22:38 PM PST

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      •  While the 1960s and Ceasar Chavez (1+ / 0-)
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        Played a role in the development of Hispanic racialization, it wasn't the start of it. While what they've considered themselves has varied, Hispanics in America have never been considered whiter than Spanish by (who were considered non-white for a while along with other southern Europeans) by Anglos in America. Furthermore, they faced additional anti Native American bias in the early 20th century due to many of them having native blood. Hispanics have never really been clearly white sociologically in America, although obviously the situation is different than with African Americans.

      •  Many non-US Latinos (0+ / 0-)

        consider themselves Mestizos or Mulatos.

        Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

        by MichaelNY on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 10:46:01 PM PST

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